# So, specifically directed toward Bernie supporters... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 24, 2016, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-specifically-directed-toward-bernie-supporters/772857 "2016-11-24T01:01:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2016, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-specifically-directed-toward-bernie-supporters/772857/81 "2016-11-30T14:24:34Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > My bold. > > She DID beat Trump. She got more votes. She got **1.7 MILLION** more votes than he did, and still counting. Do you see that? She beat him. She won the election. > > The electoral college system negated that win, but SHE DID WIN. Almost two million more people voted for her than voted for Trump. > > She didn’t lose the election; she won the election. > > Are you getting the picture? Yeah, she lost but you have found some way to argue that she actually won if only they hadn’t unfairly rigged the system back in 1789. Why didn’t someone tell Hillary how the electoral system worked before she ran for president? So unfair. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2016, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-specifically-directed-toward-bernie-supporters/772857/82 "2016-11-30T14:30:03Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I was replying specifically to your post (my bold): Yes, she lost the election because of the way the electoral college assigns electoral votes. > > BUT, replying to your specific point (which I have bolded), she DID have the political savvy to beat Trump and she did beat him: she got more votes. Racking up huge leads in places like California and Massachussetts while losing the fucking election does not demonstrate a lot of political savvy. > [@](#): > > Because of the technicality of THE WAY PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS WORK, she did not, in fact, win the election or become president. But you cannot say that she didn’t beat Trump (well, you can until you’re blue in the face, but you would be wrong). She got more votes. More people voted for her than for him. When the votes are counted, she will have more votes. Try to grasp that. not more electoral votes and thems the ones that count. Didn’t someone tell the politically savvy Hillary campaign that? > [@](#): > > Yes. Granted. That’s not the way elections work, because of the electoral college. > > BUT SHE DID WIN THE ELECTION BASED ON NUMBER OF VOTES. Therefore, she DID BEAT TRUMP. > > Her voter base did not melt down, because she got more votes. She lost the election in spite of GETTING MORE VOTES. > > Look at these FACTS any which way you can, and maybe they’ll sink in. > > Clinton. Got. More. Votes. Almost TWO MILLION more than Trump. She. Beat. Him. Except she lost. She lost based on a system we have used for almost 250 years. > [@](#): > > She did not win the election, true, but not because she didn’t get more votes. She DID get more votes. Pointless useless votes. maybe she should have spent less time in California and New York and spent more time in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Wisconsin, etc. Politcally savvy my ass. > [@](#): > > I think I’ve covered it. Yeah you seem to think a lot of things. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2016, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-specifically-directed-toward-bernie-supporters/772857/83 "2016-11-30T14:32:24Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > One only resorts to all caps when one gets the impression that the other person is not listening (reading), which is the impression I got when you replied with a comment that ignored the gist of what I said. Hillary’s lead is now more than 2 million votes. That’s not a lead. That’s like the Denver Broncos saying they actually won 4 superbowls because they actually ran and threw for more yards even if they didn’t get as many points on the scoreboard. Only broncos fans think this isn’t pure idiocy. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2016, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-specifically-directed-toward-bernie-supporters/772857/84 "2016-11-30T14:51:48Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I conceded repeatedly that she lost the election. Really, because you seem to want it both ways. See post 36. “She beat him. She won the election.” Post 43. “BUT SHE DID WIN THE ELECTION BASED ON NUMBER OF VOTES.” > [@](#): > > TriPolar said she couldn’t beat Trump. She did beat him–she got more votes. She did not win the election, but she beat Trump by getting more votes. Two million more people voted for her than for Trump. The public chose her over Trump. I don’t think Trump feels very beaten. How do you think Hillary feels? I bet she goes off and grows a beard like Al Gore did. > [@](#): > > Notwithstanding that the rules of the game dictated that she did not win the Presidency. > > I wasn’t talking about whether she won the election. I know she didn’t. I was talking about the fact that she did beat Trump by two million votes. In the last Superbowl, the Carolina panthers had: twice as many rushing first downs twice as many passing first downs three times as many third down conversions 50% more net yards over 1.2 more yard per rushing attempt almost twice as many passing yards and more time of possession. And yet almost everyone agrees that they lost because the Broncos got more points on the board. tldr: popular votes only matter to losers who want to pretend they actually won in some way. > [@](#): > > :rolleyes: > > It is factually correct that she got more votes. It is also factually correct that she did not win the election. Its not that she didn’t win… she lost. With all her political savvy (- :rolleyes: -), she lost. And she lost to Donald Fucking Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2016, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-specifically-directed-toward-bernie-supporters/772857/85 "2016-11-30T14:56:03Z")
> [@tnetennba](#): > > I think he lives in another country. I thought so too. Some weird country where they use base seven instead of base ten for IQ scores but that didn’t make sense because you still end up with like a 96 IQ base 10. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2016, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-specifically-directed-toward-bernie-supporters/772857/86 "2016-11-30T15:04:11Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s reasonable to blame her, but it’s also reasonable to blame those that voted for Trump. Support for and tolerance of bigotry isn’t okay, and it’s reasonable to put those things into the basket of things to blame (along with Hillary and her campaign) for her loss. It wasn’t just one factor – there were many things that went wrong. Despite the 70 point electoral loss by Hillary, she lost Wisconsin by less than 30,000 votes; she lost Michigan by just over 10,000; she lost Pennsylvania by 70,000; she lost Florida by over 100,000. If she didn’t suck, that would have been enough to flip the election. If the bigots won the election then where the fuck were they when we elected a black many with a funny sounding name TWICE? Did they stay home during those elections only to come out for this one? The bigots were not swing in this election. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2016, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-specifically-directed-toward-bernie-supporters/772857/87 "2016-11-30T15:12:57Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Despite the 70 point electoral loss by Hillary, she lost Wisconsin by less than 30,000 votes; she lost Michigan by just over 10,000; she lost Pennsylvania by 70,000; she lost Florida by over 100,000. If she didn’t suck, that would have been enough to flip the election. > > If the bigots won the election then where the fuck were they when we elected a black many with a funny sounding name TWICE? Did they stay home during those elections only to come out for this one? The bigots were not swing in this election. I believe we already talked about this in another thread – it’s not just bigots; it’s tolerance for bigotry. Apparently some Obama voters aren’t personally bigoted, but they also don’t really care about opposing bigotry – they liked Obama and didn’t care about his race, and now they like Trump and don’t care about the bigoted things he’s said. Tolerance for bigotry is bad and should be criticized. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2016, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-specifically-directed-toward-bernie-supporters/772857/88 "2016-12-01T18:17:36Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I believe we already talked about this in another thread – it’s not just bigots; it’s tolerance for bigotry. Apparently some Obama voters aren’t personally bigoted, but they also don’t really care about opposing bigotry – they liked Obama and didn’t care about his race, and now they like Trump and don’t care about the bigoted things he’s said. > > Tolerance for bigotry is bad and should be criticized. Yeah, this seems like deja vu but I can’t locate the other thread. never mind. I found it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-specifically-directed-toward-bernie-supporters/772857.md?page=4)