# So that happened... Whedon's “history of creating toxic and hostile work environments” **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 12, 2021, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735 "2021-02-12T08:29:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735/41 "2021-02-12T22:22:41Z")
Whedon’s ex-wife alleged that he used his power and celebrity to take advantage of young women. Has anyone stepped forward to share an experience about that? ---
**Author:** ![FriendlyCurmudgeon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friendlycurmudgeon/32/5786_2.png) [@FriendlyCurmudgeon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriendlyCurmudgeon)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735/42 "2021-02-12T22:24:56Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > **You didn’t get a warning.** In fact I added a disclaimer so that would be apparent. > > Why you got the note? I saw MeToo in your posts not about Whedon enough times to step in. The note is for everyone though. Thank you for the clarification. May I suggest when you apply a note to a thread for everyone to adhere to, not to reply to me via my post and just add it to thread as your own reply. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735/43 "2021-02-12T22:27:24Z")
Um. yeah. Totally misogyn ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735/44 "2021-02-12T22:32:15Z")
@What_Exit you really pick the weirdest participants to single out. @TimothyNewsome seems like the most aggressive about the #metoo diatribe. ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735/45 "2021-02-13T00:03:17Z")
> [@FriendlyCurmudgeon](#): > > May I suggest when you apply a note to a thread for everyone to adhere to, not to reply to me via my post and just add it to thread as your own reply. Thank you for saying that. (Seems appropriate for the thread). ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735/46 "2021-02-13T04:10:10Z")
TWO blowjobs…which is it? Is she a strong independent woman with agency or did he hypnotize her into having sexual relations with him twice? Yall ned to take this shit to the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![TiberiusNeroClaudius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f04885/32.png) [@TiberiusNeroClaudius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TiberiusNeroClaudius)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735/47 "2021-02-13T04:31:21Z")
No surprise Hollywood is a left wing dominated industry and we all know what kind of dirt bags liberals are. Look at the sexual predator/thief at the White House and his son the crook. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735/48 "2021-02-13T08:27:54Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Whedon’s ex-wife alleged that he used his power and celebrity to take advantage of young women. Has anyone stepped forward to share an experience about that? Michelle Trachtenberg has [kind of hinted](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/michelle-trachtenberg-says-rule-buffy-041530998.html) at it (my emphasis). > He’s not allowed in a room alone with Michelle **again** ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735/49 "2021-02-13T12:54:20Z")
> [@TiberiusNeroClaudius](#): > > No surprise Hollywood is a left wing dominated industry and we all know what kind of dirt bags liberals are. Look at the sexual predator/thief at the White House and his son the crook. This post is both a violation of mod instructions and also deliberately inflammatory, aka trolling. Please drop the topic. And this IS an official warning. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735/50 "2021-02-13T13:05:44Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > > [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > > > But his work itself never pinged my creep radar. > > Not even Dollhouse? Dollhouse is incredibly creepy. I watched the first couple of episodes, because I liked a lot of his other stuff. And I couldn’t watch more. And honestly, I’ve wonder if he was a creep ever since watching those Dollhouse episodes. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735/51 "2021-02-13T13:11:51Z")
> [@TimothyNewsome](#): > > > [@FriendlyCurmudgeon](#): > > > > > [@TimothyNewsome](#): > > > > > > No, apparently it is simply a “Bad date”, the kind of thing that happens to every man, especially a guy who grandly lectured the men in a crowd at Madison Square Garden (back in 2015, well before his ill-fated night of Would-Be Woke Wooing) “…just ask women questions and always listen to what they have to say!” > > > > > > Those awkward bad dates… > > > > She had to so no twice, and he stopped - my god the horror ! > > Yep, that poor, misunderstood Woke Feminist Ally St. Aziz of Chelsea, defamed and demeaned by those lying, conniving, cock-teasing Columbia co-eds, when all the poor guy did was just relentlessly browbeat her into a miserable little blowjobb, afterall its not like he raped her or tried to hold the door open for her or something. > > Hey, everyone has been on a few bad dates, right? This post is excessively aggressive for Cafe Society. Trolly. It would be okay in the Pit, but it’s not okay here. Because the conversation was heated, and this was posted before the mod instruction to drop the hijack (which was the heated part) this is only a mod note, not a warning. But please try to be aware of what forum you are in, and tone it down going forward. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735/52 "2021-02-13T14:08:53Z")
Whedon’s actions towards women are jail worthy. I’m not sure of the limits here, but anyone who does that to young women is just sc-m. . I am very sad that now there will never be anyone to write other stories that would/could have happened in the Firefly/Serenity universe, but maybe that’s just me being selfish. No movie or series is worth being created on the back of sexual assaults or rape. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735/53 "2021-02-13T15:12:53Z")
It should be noted that she was 15 at the time. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735/54 "2021-02-13T15:22:54Z")
It changes entirely after a couple of episodes, and is in many ways a warning about the advance of technologies that could make such creepiness a reality. Black Mirror is pretty creepy, do you feel the same way about that show’s creators? I do believe in a unidirectional seperation of art and artist. What an artist does in real life may very well color my perceptions of their work. I can never enjoy Bill Cosby’s stand-up again, for instance. However, what an artist creates doesn’t color my perception of who they are, or of their other works. > [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > I am very sad that now there will never be anyone to write other stories that would/could have happened in the Firefly/Serenity universe, but maybe that’s just me being selfish. That, and no sequel to Dr. Horrible. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735/55 "2021-02-13T15:26:07Z")
> **Off Topic post, please don't reply. WE?** > > > [@TimothyNewsome](#): > > > > Al Frankin > > Matt Lauer > > James Franco > > Aziz Ansari > > Dustin Hoffman > > Tavis Smiley > > > [@TimothyNewsome](#): > > > > All to one degree or another have for years publically payed lip service to the need for Enlightened Men Of Culture to treat women with respect, dignity, and equality, while privately using their status, wealth, fame and power to turn their workplaces into a private Moonlight Bunny Ranch. > > All of them? Would article below change your opinion as to whether or not Al Franken should be included on that list? > > [The Case of Al Franken | The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/29/the-case-of-al-franken?source=search_google_dsa_paid&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI353ax5Hn7gIVVQiICR1ysAGBEAAYASAAEgIw2_D_BwE) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735/56 "2021-02-13T15:35:21Z")
**Modnote** : One more time and for all. STAY ON TOPIC please. Al Franken’s case can be made elsewhere if you like. I’m collapsing your post. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735/57 "2021-02-13T15:59:17Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Black Mirror is pretty creepy, do you feel the same way about that show’s creators? I didn’t watch it, because the reviews suggested it would be creepy. So i have no opinion. But there’s creepy and creepy. Dollhouse was a giant, extended rape fantasy. Maybe the dolls eventually escaped their condition. But it wasn’t something i wanted to watch. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735/58 "2021-02-13T17:33:30Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > Whedon’s actions towards women are jail worthy. I’m not sure of the limits here, but anyone who does that to young women is just sc-m. Are we talking about his behavior towards Charisma Carpenter or something else? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735/59 "2021-02-13T17:45:23Z")
Michelle Trachtenberg has Tweeted that, when she was fourteen, the set had to institute a rule that Whedon wasn’t allowed to be in a room alone with her. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735/60 "2021-02-13T17:47:40Z")
Okay, maybe that might be jail-worthy? I would want some more specific knowledge before reaching that conclusion. Not all detestable behavior is necessarily subject to punishment by imprisonment. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735.md?page=4)