# So the new Batman vs. Superman trailer has a huge spoiler \[spoilers!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 3, 2015, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335 "2015-12-03T18:35:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/21 "2015-12-04T12:38:50Z")
Wait, there were still people who had some shred of expectation that this movie was going to be anything other than awful? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/22 "2015-12-04T12:50:49Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Here’s what I don’t get about the film. It’s billed as a titanic conflict. On the one side we have Superman, who could pick up and toss skyscrapers, hell, who could lift the entire planet and take it somewhere else, who is invulnerable save for kryptonite, who is faster than anything in the Universe except possibly light … On the other we have a well-trained man in a bat costume and armor. …with kryptonite, surely. I mean, yeah, the trailer still needs to throw in Superman’s _“if I wanted it, you’d be dead already,”_ because otherwise even kryptonite would presumably be irrelevant. But since the big guy is obliging enough to give Bruce an opportunity, don’t we kinda sorta _haveta_ figure that one vulnerability you mentioned will come up? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/23 "2015-12-04T12:51:33Z")
I’m just excited that about the first thing you see is MSU’s Broad Museum. But I’m curious as to why it would be one against the other- aren’t they both good guys? ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/24 "2015-12-04T13:25:48Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > I don’t understand people complaining that they thought the movie would be all about a battle between Batman and Superman. The second half of the title is “Dawn of Justice” so it seemed pretty obvious they would start working together at some point in the movie. Sure. But that point didn’t need to be two thirds of the way through the movie, after the cliched fistfight but before the cliched monster battle. It could have been something different, some other take on the idea, and considering how outmatched one of the characters is it really should have been something else. I’m not complaining that the movie is about a battle, I’m complaining because I hoped the movie would be something a little more inventive and now I know it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/25 "2015-12-04T14:05:00Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > Sure. But that point didn’t need to be two thirds of the way through the movie, after the cliched fistfight but before the cliched monster battle. It could have been something different, some other take on the idea, and considering how outmatched one of the characters is it really should have been something else. > > I’m not complaining that the movie is about a battle, I’m complaining because I hoped the movie would be something a little more inventive and now I know it isn’t. Technically, for all you know we’ve just seen the first ten minutes of the movie, to be followed by two full hours of the Justice League doing its thing. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/26 "2015-12-04T14:18:10Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Wait, there were still people who had some shred of expectation that this movie was going to be anything other than awful? Pretty much. After the last two Superman movies, I can wait until this hits cable TV. I generallly preferred Justice League over Avengers (though both would bring in writers that sucked and would cause me to stop reading until the writers changed) but Warner can’t pull its head out of its own ass and put together strong stories for their non-Batman movies. Marvel did (for many, but not all, of their movies). ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/27 "2015-12-04T16:15:11Z")
Damn, I was stoked for this movie. And now I’m not so much. That trailer literally showed you every act of the movie. I can almost guarantee the spoiled character is tacked on clumsily. I’m having visions of Spiderman 3 all over again. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/28 "2015-12-04T16:22:56Z")
> [@inedible\_knapsack](#): > > Is it really Doomsday? Doomsday didn’t have heat vision. It definitely looks like Doomsday, but maybe that’s just a red herring. > > Maybe it’s actually a reimagining of Bizarro. Heck, it could even be Cyborg Superman. They’re playing fast and loose with the any origin story even if it is Doomsday. > [@Quartz](#): > > Is that who you think it is? I’ve not followed the comics, but it doesn’t look like that entity to me. Well it certainly looks the most like Doomsday. He’s gray, big, bald, has rocky “bones” coming out of his body, and Kryptonian. It makse some sense that instead of the comic book logic stretch of having an evil scientist “evolve” Doomsday on Krypton, they’d just take Zod’s body and re-engineer it. That explains the heat vision. > [@Hail\_Ants](#): > > How can I put this? > > Unless you’re a current or former comic book geek, you have no idea who or what a ‘Doomsday’ is. Nor does it really ‘spoil’ anything. There’s a monster villain in it. So what? > [@TroutMan](#): > > I don’t understand people complaining that they thought the movie would be all about a battle between Batman and Superman. The second half of the title is “Dawn of Justice” so it seemed pretty obvious they would start working together at some point in the movie. I don’t know what the breakdown to non-comic fans vs. comic fans are for movies like this, and you’re probably right that a good group of people won’t know who it is, but non-comic fans aren’t the ones meticulously tracking every leaked detail and hyping it up. Casual fans will just go see the movie because its Superman and Batman and there are special effects. But the rest of us who know about Doomsday is hyping it up. If your friends aren’t excited to see it, it might make you less likely to see it too, so marketing has to appeal to the casual fans but drop enough fanservice to lure the comic book fans. I don’t think they did that well with the trailer, its too big of a reveal. They should have based their marketing like I said above on Godzilla’s, which was basically “Come for Godzilla, be happily surprised with extra monsters”. They did the same with the Vision in Age of Ultron. I just personally think that Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman is big enough to sell the movie on its own, and Doomsday can be an extra treat that gets people coming back to watch it again. Now we’ve seen what looks to be the entire pacing of the movie, there’s little left we can’t imagine > [@astro](#): > > Apparently Hollywood decided Lex Luthor needs some of Heath Ledger’s “Joker” DNA… because… well… just because. > > So now we have top of the food chain uber villain Lex Luthor as a fey, whimsical, social butterfly, evil genius chatterbox. > > Jesus Christ. Yeah I don’t know about that Lex. I’m hoping that’s just a public face and he’ll be more quiet and brooding in private ---
**Author:** ![Abner\_Ravenwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c4cdca/32.png) [@Abner\_Ravenwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abner_Ravenwood)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/29 "2015-12-04T16:37:42Z")
I thought the monster at the end was Abomination from The Incredible Hulk and they were paving the way for an Avengers/Justice League showdown in the future. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/30 "2015-12-04T16:39:52Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Wait, there were still people who had some shred of expectation that this movie was going to be anything other than awful? There are many degrees of awful. Before this trailer, I expected _Man of Steel_ level awful. Now I’m thinking it’s going to be _Fantastic Four_ level awful. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/31 "2015-12-04T16:46:41Z")
\ Why are Batman and Superman enemies? Obviously that means one of them is a baddie? I tried to ask this question at work and one of the group got all pissy because he didn’t want anything spoiled. Don’t fans of the franchise (of which I’m obviously not one) already know why? The fact that _they are_ is right in the title:smack: Anyway, he had a hissy, complete with hands over ears, so I never got an answer. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/32 "2015-12-04T17:05:08Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUB](#): > > \ Why are Batman and Superman enemies? Obviously that means one of them is a baddie? I tried to ask this question at work and one of the group got all pissy because he didn’t want anything spoiled. Don’t fans of the franchise (of which I’m obviously not one) already know why? The fact that _they are_ is right in the title:smack: Anyway, he had a hissy, complete with hands over ears, so I never got an answer. Superman is an alien - his first coming out party pretty much destroyed metropolis - they show Bruce looking up in anger as that battle happens. As a ‘hero’ - hes all ‘law and order’ and good stuff - not to mention ‘god like’ - you can see in the trailer the hero worship that is going on. Batman is a vigilante - he thinks he’s ‘outside of the law’, etc - He’s a hero - but not exactly the ‘law and order’ type. So - they have differing viewpoints - and Bruce is \_angry and mistrust of this new ‘god like alien’ - I don;t doubt for a minute that its Bruce that throws the first punch. Niether one is specifically a ‘baddie’ in the sense of villian (debate vigilante justice here). ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/33 "2015-12-04T17:16:00Z")
Thanks, **simster**. That actually sounds kind of fun. And Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill? Who cares what its’s about. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/34 "2015-12-04T17:33:14Z")
I see we’re not spoilering the character anymore. I’m not a huge comic book geek, but I know who Doomsday is. And I’m pretty sure that was supposed to be him, although I’d agree he didn’t look very good. Just one more disappointing thing about that trailer. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/35 "2015-12-04T17:44:18Z")
**simster** sums it up well, but to add a bit Bats has always been weary of Supes. He realizes that Supes could go crazy or get mind controlled or something and destroy the planet. So in all the incarnations of the two being together, that I am aware of, Bats has always had a back-up plan in case that happens mostly involving kryptonite. So it makes sense that he would be very weary and distrustful of Supes on their first meeting and getting to know each other. Plus this is an older more battle-hardened and cynical Bats. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/36 "2015-12-04T17:47:38Z")
Wary not weary. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/37 "2015-12-04T17:57:30Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > Wary not weary. 🙂 could be both - ‘i’m tired of him getting all the good press’ ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/38 "2015-12-04T18:27:54Z")
There are so many awesome story lines in the history of Batman-Superman to choose from that to go to this tired direction makes Kevin Smith’s epic talk about working on a Superman script with Hollywood players resonate. You’d think he was exaggerating in that talk, [but he’s not, not even a little bit.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo2KB1dEDdk) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/39 "2015-12-04T18:58:16Z")
Too grim, too much destruction, not enough snappy repartee or humor. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/40 "2015-12-04T19:03:31Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Too grim, too much destruction, not enough snappy repartee or humor. There was humor? Things I didn’t like: Lex Luthor used yet again, and as a shrieky fop? Doomsday as a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle (or a cave troll, as I’ve seen mentioned)? Clark Kent doesn’t know who Bruce Wayne is? And Bruce is dressed up like a Mob boss? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335.md?page=3)