# So the new Batman vs. Superman trailer has a huge spoiler \[spoilers!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 3, 2015, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335 "2015-12-03T18:35:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![erysichthon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@erysichthon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erysichthon)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/41 "2015-12-04T19:45:29Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUB](#): > > \ Why are Batman and Superman enemies? Obviously that means one of them is a baddie? I tried to ask this question at work and one of the group got all pissy because he didn’t want anything spoiled. Don’t fans of the franchise (of which I’m obviously not one) already know why? The fact that _they are_ is right in the title:smack: Anyway, he had a hissy, complete with hands over ears, so I never got an answer. I grew up in the 1960s, when virtually every cover of every DC comic featured a beloved superhero doing something wildly out of character (like [Superman shunning Jimmy Olsen](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/83/e8/4a/83e84a247ef281dcfee662f965522e2b.jpg) or [Batman being a lazy jerk](http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CID44nrWcAEpyZW.jpg)). And I haven’t read any comic books since then. So when I see that there’s a movie where Batman and Superman are fighting, my first thought is “well, duh, of course they are.” ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/42 "2015-12-04T19:57:40Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **TroutMan** : > > There are many degrees of awful. Before this trailer, I expected Man of Steel level awful. Now I’m thinking it’s going to be Fantastic Four level awful. I never saw either. How does that compare to Green Lantern awful? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/43 "2015-12-04T20:02:18Z")
I thankfully didn’t see Green Lantern, but Rotten Tomatoes puts it at 26%, closer to Fantastic Four (10%) than Man of Steel (56%). I guess by the time you get down there, it’s not much of a distinction worth making. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/44 "2015-12-04T20:51:19Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUB](#): > > \ Why are Batman and Superman enemies? Batman and Superman are enemies because a certain subset of Batman fans have a _massive_ inferiority complex and are constantly trying to prove Batman is good enough by having him beat up Superman. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/45 "2015-12-04T21:31:09Z")
For what it’s worth, I didn’t think that there was any way in which Green Lantern was terrible; it was just remarkably consistent in being sub-par. The acting wasn’t terrible, but it wasn’t very good. The script wasn’t terrible, but it wasn’t very good. Likewise for the effects, the direction, the plot, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Abner\_Ravenwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c4cdca/32.png) [@Abner\_Ravenwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abner_Ravenwood)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/46 "2015-12-04T21:34:30Z")
> [@erysichthon](#): > > I grew up in the 1960s, when virtually every cover of every DC comic featured a beloved superhero doing something wildly out of character (like [Superman shunning Jimmy Olsen](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/83/e8/4a/83e84a247ef281dcfee662f965522e2b.jpg) or [Batman being a lazy jerk](http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CID44nrWcAEpyZW.jpg)). And I haven’t read any comic books since then. So when I see that there’s a movie where Batman and Superman are fighting, my first thought is “well, duh, of course they are.” Back in the 1980’s the heroes fought each other all the time, at least in Marvel. I didn’t read a lot of DC back then. I remember seeing Spiderman vs. Daredevil, Spiderman vs. Punisher, Punisher vs. Daredevil, Wolverine vs. Hulk, Wolverine vs. Spiderman, Wolverine vs. Punisher, and a bunch of others. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/47 "2015-12-04T21:34:43Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > For what it’s worth, I didn’t think that there was any way in which Green Lantern was terrible; it was just remarkably consistent in being sub-par. The acting wasn’t terrible, but it wasn’t very good. The script wasn’t terrible, but it wasn’t very good. Likewise for the effects, the direction, the plot, etc. They did make the mistake of\*\* DAY1- the new superhero has to save the galaxy!!!\*\* Look at\* Superman!, the movie\*- Supes picked off a few common criminals before he saved America from a nuke. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/48 "2015-12-04T22:02:49Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > For what it’s worth, I didn’t think that there was any way in which Green Lantern was terrible; it was just remarkably consistent in being sub-par. The acting wasn’t terrible, but it wasn’t very good. The script wasn’t terrible, but it wasn’t very good. Likewise for the effects, the direction, the plot, etc. > [@DrDeth](#): > > They did make the mistake of\*\* DAY1- the new superhero has to save the galaxy!!!\*\* > Look at\* Superman!, the movie\*- Supes picked off a few common criminals before he saved America from a nuke. I’m inclined to agree with DrDeth on this - it was a mistake for Hal Jordan to be the hero. Jordan should have been the everyman new guy, more like Charlie Sheen’s character in _Platoon_. Sinestro should have been the hero, while other members of the Green Lantern Corps regarding Jordan as the fucking-new-guy, unworthy of filling Abin Sur’s tights. Maybe we see a growing rift between Sinestro and Kilowog (as between Barnes and Elias in _Platoon_) with Jordan’s decision being the pivotal moment. Jordan being the hero right off the bat is too akin to the new Captain Kirk for my taste - the guy saves the day because he so obviously _deserves_ to and it’s just the universe recognizing his innate awesomeness. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/49 "2015-12-04T22:03:20Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Too grim, too much destruction, not enough snappy repartee or humor. The opposite is why I am tired of Marvel films. Too much focus on snappy repartee and zingers - it gets old. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/50 "2015-12-04T22:08:15Z")
> [@Abner\_Ravenwood](#): > > Back in the 1980’s the heroes fought each other all the time, at least in Marvel. I guess that month not everybody was the team player the last guy wrote them as. The movie should be good. ---
**Author:** ![Abner\_Ravenwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c4cdca/32.png) [@Abner\_Ravenwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abner_Ravenwood)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/51 "2015-12-04T22:16:44Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m inclined to agree with DrDeth on this - it was a mistake for Hal Jordan to be the hero. Jordan should have been the everyman new guy, more like Charlie Sheen’s character in _Platoon_. Sinestro should have been the hero, while other members of the Green Lantern Corps regarding Jordan as the fucking-new-guy, unworthy of filling Abin Sur’s tights. Maybe we see a growing rift between Sinestro and Kilowog (as between Barnes and Elias in _Platoon_) with Jordan’s decision being the pivotal moment. Jordan being the hero right off the bat is too akin to the new Captain Kirk for my taste - the guy saves the day because he so obviously _deserves_ to and it’s just the universe recognizing his innate awesomeness. You’re more or less describing the plot of [Green Lantern: First Flight](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Lantern:_First_Flight). ---
**Author:** ![Abner\_Ravenwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c4cdca/32.png) [@Abner\_Ravenwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abner_Ravenwood)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/52 "2015-12-04T22:19:36Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > I guess that month not everybody was the team player the last guy wrote them as. > > The movie should be good. I hope so, but I’m not nearly as excited to see Batman v. Superman as I am Captain America Civil War after watching both trailers this past week. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/53 "2015-12-04T23:16:58Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > Wary not weary. 🙂 Wary, weary, no need to be a pendant. 😃 > [@astro](#): > > There are so many awesome story lines in the history of Batman-Superman to choose from that to go to this tired direction makes Kevin Smith’s epic talk about working on a Superman script with Hollywood players resonate. > > You’d think he was exaggerating in that talk, [but he’s not, not even a little bit.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo2KB1dEDdk) I for one would like to see Superman fight a giant mechanical spider. 😃 > [@Abner\_Ravenwood](#): > > Back in the 1980’s the heroes fought each other all the time, at least in Marvel. I didn’t read a lot of DC back then. I remember seeing Spiderman vs. Daredevil, Spiderman vs. Punisher, Punisher vs. Daredevil, Wolverine vs. Hulk, Wolverine vs. Spiderman, Wolverine vs. Punisher, and a bunch of others. Heck there is even a Spiderman vs. Superman. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/54 "2015-12-04T23:49:10Z")
> [@Abner\_Ravenwood](#): > > You’re more or less describing the plot of [Green Lantern: First Flight](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Lantern:_First_Flight). Yeah, and that’s why it was a better film than the live-action one. I observed as much [back in 2012](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15126332#post15126332). ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/55 "2015-12-04T23:53:42Z")
> [@erysichthon](#): > > I grew up in the 1960s, when virtually every cover of every DC comic featured a beloved superhero doing something wildly out of character (like [Superman shunning Jimmy Olsen](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/83/e8/4a/83e84a247ef281dcfee662f965522e2b.jpg) or [Batman being a lazy jerk](http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CID44nrWcAEpyZW.jpg)). And I haven’t read any comic books since then. So when I see that there’s a movie where Batman and Superman are fighting, my first thought is “well, duh, of course they are.” Yeah, that all seems [pretty in character](http://www.superdickery.com/superman-punches-out-batman/) for Superman. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/56 "2015-12-05T00:03:23Z")
> [@Abner\_Ravenwood](#): > > Spiderman vs. Daredevil I’ve seen variations on this, and find they’re uniformly biased in favour of Daredevil. At least with the original _Superman vs. Spider-Man_ (their second meeting was an infinitely better story), the latter unknowingly gets a powerboost from Lex Luthor and momentarily overpowers Superman, thinking he must be wildly over-rated. Superman’s response is quite literally to hold back, lest he kill Spider-Man with one punch. The powerboost wears off and Spider-Man almost breaks his hands trying to take on Superman again. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/57 "2015-12-05T00:27:59Z")
Just FYI for those complaining, that is not Lex Luthor. That is his son. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/58 "2015-12-05T00:37:51Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Just FYI for those complaining, that is not Lex Luthor. That is his son. What is this, freakin’ Austin Powers? ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/59 "2015-12-05T00:38:36Z")
It’s hardly the first time Doomsday’s origin would have been changed, hell, they changed his origin before he even first appeared because some early social justice whiners complained that his original origin of escaping from an intergalactic loony bin was offensive to mentally ill people. (Never mind literally everyone Batman’s ever fought has a timeshare in Arkham.) So then he had no origin for a long time until they made up some crap about Kryptonian scientists making him to be the ultimate killing machine. The Zod thing makes me thing they’ve been taking notes from Smallville, I don’t rememeber the exact details, but there was some sort of connection there like Zod and his woman made him or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335/60 "2015-12-05T00:44:49Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > It’s hardly the first time Doomsday’s origin would have been changed, hell, they changed his origin before he even first appeared because some early social justice whiners complained that his original origin of escaping from an intergalactic loony bin was offensive to mentally ill people. [Not true](http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2012/11/16/comic-book-legends-revealed-393/). Although there were complaints when people mistakenly believed that was going to be its origin, the origin story wasn’t changed because of them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-the-new-batman-vs-superman-trailer-has-a-huge-spoiler-spoilers/739335.md?page=4)