# So two months notice wasn't enough? (long and lame) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 27, 2006, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859 "2006-01-27T16:34:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859/61 "2006-01-28T16:56:53Z")
> [@GaWd](#): > > Diogenes, I see you lying and backpedaling more and more often around here. Either your fingers and your brain are completely disconnected from each other, or you’re just lying. You have as much as said that she should have given them more time. > > Fuck man, learn how to admit you’re wrong. > > Sam I’ve said over and over again that I wasn’t trying to imply that she should have given them more time. It’s not my fault you assholes can’t read. ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859/62 "2006-01-28T17:03:05Z")
See? There it is again. It’s not our fault that you can’t get out a cogent thought in type and then stand by it, either. Of course, as everyone well knows, it’s unwise to try and prove you wrong. You just constantly weasel out of it. Sam ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859/63 "2006-01-28T17:11:49Z")
> [@GaWd](#): > > See? There it is again. It’s not our fault that you can’t get out a cogent thought in type and then stand by it, either. > > Of course, as everyone well knows, it’s unwise to try and prove you wrong. You just constantly weasel out of it. > > Sam Take a remedial reading class, fuckhole. I didn’t say what you want me to have said. All my posts have been perfectly consistent. I have nothing to “weasel out” of. ---
**Author:** ![Hakuna\_Matata](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hakuna\_Matata](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hakuna_Matata)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859/64 "2006-01-28T17:16:52Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Take a remedial reading class, fuckhole. I didn’t say what you want me to have said. All my posts have been perfectly consistent. I have nothing to “weasel out” of. bullshit ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859/65 "2006-01-28T17:26:41Z")
Oh come on DtC, Q.E.D. composed a very thorough post of the statements you made concerning this subject. Post #48 I believe. So, let’s do this. You admit that what you typed is not what you meant, and we can all just drop the subject. Or, you can continue to back yourself into a corner, and lash out like an animal being threatened by hungy predators. Then we can all point and laugh when you have another post meltdown. Sam ---
**Author:** ![The\_Swan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_Swan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Swan)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859/66 "2006-01-28T17:34:13Z")
> [@drachillix](#): > > And **Swan** > > Most leases will have a section involving how the house/apt should be vacated with regards to the condition of the occupancy, something to do with being left as you found it or in rentable condition minus any normal wear and tear. Normal wear and tear does not mean leaving behind any odd trash you don’t feel like carting with you or not even attempting to scrub out a sink or toilet. If a landlord has to clean up such non normal wear and tear they generally have every right to deduct it from the deposit. > > Thinks like chipped paint and a few minor dings and dents in walls are normal wear and tear. Holes in walls, piles of trash, broken windows, ground in dirt from years of failure to mop a kitchen or bathroom floor are not normal wear and tear. I realize this. On the other hand, no amount of “cleaning” is ever going to repair holes or broken glass. The post I responded to inferred that the previous tenants should have to pay for ALL of the cleaning, which is demonstrably false. ---
**Author:** ![Brainiac4](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brainiac4/32/3534_2.png) [@Brainiac4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brainiac4)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859/67 "2006-01-28T18:27:23Z")
> [@The Swan](#): > > I realize this. On the other hand, no amount of “cleaning” is ever going to repair holes or broken glass. The post I responded to inferred that the previous tenants should have to pay for ALL of the cleaning, which is demonstrably false. Implied. The reader infers, the writer implies. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Swan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_Swan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Swan)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859/68 "2006-01-28T18:30:56Z")
> [@Brainiac4](#): > > Implied. The reader infers, the writer implies. > > 😃 :smack: No…uh…I’m actually right…because, uh… it’s a regional dialect. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859/69 "2006-01-28T18:57:27Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > My point is not that the rant hurts the tenants but that the rant makes the OP sound like a bitch. Is there anyone here other than you who feels this way? ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859/70 "2006-01-28T19:02:52Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Is there anyone here other than you who feels this way? Nope. Don’t think so. OP was frustrated by irrseponsible tenants. OP vented. DtC first claimed it was too short a period of time. Then claimed OP was insensitive. Then claimed OP was a bitch for posting after denying that he claimed that the OP gave too short a period of warning to clear out. The rest of us who read DtC’s posts were just too stupid to understand what he posted. Pretty much SOP for DtC. Sam ---
**Author:** ![xbuckeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9e8a1a/32.png) [@xbuckeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xbuckeye)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859/71 "2006-01-28T19:23:24Z")
> [@zoogirl](#): > > I can’t imagine not cutting off my utilities the moment I clear the front door. Who needs the next tenant discovering a live phone line and wracking up calls to Japan or something?! I also wouldn’t like to pay for someone’s gas or electicity. This is _exactly_ what I was thinking. You call the utilities and say “I am leaving and not paying for any gas/phone/electricity after this date” to protect yourself, not as a convienance to your landlord. Had the OP been less than honest, she would have just moved in and started using electric/gas/phone service that the tennant was paying for. I have never rented month to month just so I wouldn’t have to face a quick move. Also, every lease I have ever signed told me that I would be charged for cleaning if I left the place a mess. The OP hasn’t done anything wrong, she just had the audacity to want to use her property. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859/72 "2006-01-28T19:23:41Z")
> [@GaWd](#): > > Nope. Don’t think so. > > OP was frustrated by irrseponsible tenants. OP vented. DtC first claimed it was too short a period of time. Then claimed OP was insensitive. Then claimed OP was a bitch for posting after denying that he claimed that the OP gave too short a period of warning to clear out. The rest of us who read DtC’s posts were just too stupid to understand what he posted. > > Pretty much SOP for DtC. > > Sam I never said it was “too short” a period of time. I said it wasn’t a _generous_ amount of time. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859/73 "2006-01-28T19:29:02Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I never said it was “too short” a period of time. I said it wasn’t a _generous_ amount of time. Does not being generous make one a bitch? ---
**Author:** ![MelCthefirst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@MelCthefirst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MelCthefirst)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859/74 "2006-01-28T19:30:18Z")
I’m not a seasoned renter, but if someone told me I had 2 months to get out of my house and find another one, I wouldn’t think 2 months is a long time. Possibly the tennants from the OP feel the same. Yes they rent on a month by month basis, but they have been in the same place for 7 years - it is not like they have moved a lot after being given notice. So from their emotional status, they are probably similar to a lease agreement. ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859/75 "2006-01-28T19:37:49Z")
Considering the law and the contract, 60 days is more than generous. Considering the OP’s situation, where she had to move soon, 60 days is absolutely generous. One is not beholden to their renters. No matter what, it is still the Landlord’s property, and ultimately, they can do with it as they please within the law and the contract. When 30 days notice is all that is required to oust a renter, 60 days is more than fair. Sam ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859/76 "2006-01-28T20:12:03Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Does not being generous make one a bitch? No, showing a complete lack of sensitivity about how stressful it is, expressing dismissive contempt for the fact that it cost the (admittedly good) tenants a plannned vacation and complaining about something that was the OP’s own responsibility makes one _sound_ like a bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859/77 "2006-01-28T20:14:55Z")
> [@GaWd](#): > > Considering the law and the contract, 60 days is more than generous. Considering the OP’s situation, where she had to move soon, 60 days is absolutely generous. One is not beholden to their renters. No matter what, it is still the Landlord’s property, and ultimately, they can do with it as they please within the law and the contract. > > When 30 days notice is all that is required to oust a renter, 60 days is more than fair. > > Sam I never said she had to give more time. I’m only saying that she could have shown a little more understanding in her OP about how tough that probably was on the tenants. ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859/78 "2006-01-28T20:52:43Z")
So if I borrow your car, say for a week, and you call me on Friday and tell me that you need the car on Saturday, is it understandable for me to return the car messy, with my crap still in it because you didn’t give me enough warning? C’mon DtC… Sam ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859/79 "2006-01-28T22:04:48Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > No, showing a complete lack of sensitivity about how stressful it is, expressing dismissive contempt for the fact that it cost the (admittedly good) tenants a plannned vacation and complaining about something that was the OP’s own responsibility makes one _sound_ like a bitch. So a lack of sensitivity about the stressful lives of others makes one a bitch or at least sound like one? To be fair, I’m using Socratic Irony to needle you a bit, because you’re so obviously a knee-jerk… uh… jerk. I’ll be generous, though (heh), and assume you don’t actually mean half of what you write. I’m guessing you’re aware of this on some level because of the weaselly and random inclusion of the “sounds like” qualifier, as though it somehow mitigates calling the OP “cold”, a “twat”, “insensitive” and, yes, “bitch.” The OP was incorrect about the tenant’s responsibility to transfer utility contracts to her name. You, however, were entirely correct when you categorized yourself as an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859/80 "2006-01-28T22:27:04Z")
Hell, I’ve moved in a weekend, with kids, from 3-4 bedroom houses plus garage, after a week or so of packing and tossing. Once you know you’re going, start packing, no problem. What can be hard to do in two months is finding a new place, coming up with first/last/deposit, etc. I’d be sympathetic to anyone who had two months to find a place and move, including the OP and her tenants. Some of the posters in this thread sound like they expect anyone renting month-to-month to have another place standing by and enough money to pay for it. That’s unrealistic, even if it is how things are in the real world, for renters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-two-months-notice-wasnt-enough-long-and-lame/341859.md?page=5)