# So Warren has Native American ancestry, 8 generations ago. Is she a minority? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 15, 2018, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990 "2018-10-15T16:26:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/21 "2018-10-15T19:19:15Z")
What difference does it make? She didn’t build that. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/22 "2018-10-15T19:29:48Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > The “deal” was a hypothetical. It doesn’t exist in any real sense, never did. It’s a figment of your (and **fiveyearlurker** ’s) imagination. Thanks for acknowledging that [what Trump said](https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article220036610.html) was pure bullshitting. > [@](#): > > “Let’s say I’m debating Pocahontas,” he said at a rally. “I promise you I’ll do this: I will take, you know those little kits they sell on television… learn your heritage!” > > “And in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims that she is of Indian heritage because her mother said she has high cheek bones, that is her only evidence, her mother said we have high cheek bones,” Trump continued. > > “We will take that little kit – but we have to do it gently. Because we’re in the #MeToo generation, we have to do it gently,” he said. “And we will very gently take that kit, and slowly toss it, hoping it doesn’t injure her arm, and we will say: I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian.” Now, Trump can weasel out of it by saying that was only valid if it was in the context of a debate. But an honest person would acknowledge that he was making a bet. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/23 "2018-10-15T19:35:42Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > The “deal” was a hypothetical. It doesn’t exist in any real sense, never did. It’s a figment of your (and **fiveyearlurker** ’s) imagination. It does exist, because Donald Trump already personally [set the precedent](https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/that-time-trump-sued-bill-maher-after-he-made-joke-about-his-mom-having-sex-with-orangutan/) for believing that such a “hypothetical deal” was binding when he sued Bill Maher for not making good on his deal to give $5 million to a Trump chosen charity if he proved that he wasn’t the offspring of a human woman and an orangutan. From that, we can conclude that Trump considered such an offer to be binding when he made it, even if the court was prepared to laugh at him because it was clearly offered in jest, which Trump’s clearly was not. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/24 "2018-10-15T19:47:09Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I would never refer to myself as a minority or use it to my advantage. Elizabeth Warren does not claim to be a minority of a member of a NA tribe. Nobody is claiming she is a minority. She only claims that she has NA ancestry, which the DNA test supports. She only took it to shut down Trump’s gum-flapping idiocy. This kind of DNA is not an exact science. Mine only showed my relationship with my father was “paternal, within 1 to 4 generations”. Surprisingly few non-Latino Americans have any Native heritage at all, contrary to what they may think. Anybody with half a brain knew Trump wasn’t making a bet for a million dollars. We all know the man is far too broke to assemble that kind of money until his next Helsinki trip. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/25 "2018-10-15T20:16:41Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > There was no bet. This isn’t a hard fact to grasp. [“Trump bet Elizabeth Warren $1M” didn’t actually happen](https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0407/39/1434914331498.png). [Nothing to see here!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NNOrp_83RU) President Trash gets played yet again. You think he would have learned his lesson when the mob stole his lunch money in Atlantic City and sent him running back to Daddy for more. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/26 "2018-10-15T20:29:06Z")
Frankly, I am pretty suspicious of such tests. Seems to be mostly arbitrary. Love to see Trump payup. Please make Warren choose Christine Blasey Fords GoFundMe! ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/27 "2018-10-15T21:28:04Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > What difference does it make? She didn’t build that. Build what? (I’m familiar with the phrase “You didn’t build that,” I just don’t understand how that is relevant to this thread.) ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/28 "2018-10-15T21:57:30Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > Build what? > > (I’m familiar with the phrase “You didn’t build that,” I just don’t understand how that is relevant to this thread.) Those are 2 phrases Republicans took WAY out of context in order to use as weapons. My post was in reponse to: > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Did Scott Brown, Donald Trump and you pay as much attention to the details of what she said and when she said it as you think we should give to what Trump said about the bet he’s now trying to get out of? > > I’ll save you the trouble; no, you did not. So now I’ve explained it and ruined the whole thing! ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/29 "2018-10-15T23:03:17Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > … But an honest person would acknowledge that he was making a bet. No, an honest person wouldn’t pretend that was an actual bet. ETA: in the words of our friend and colleague: > [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > … Anybody with half a brain knew Trump wasn’t making a bet for a million dollars. … ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/30 "2018-10-15T23:26:04Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > No, an honest person wouldn’t pretend that was an actual bet. > > ETA: in the words of our friend and colleague: Again, Donald Trump sued Maher because he took a similar statement as an actual bet indicating that he takes such things as actual bets. Unless you’re insinuating he’s a liar or something I think we should take him at his word. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/31 "2018-10-15T23:45:03Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Again, Donald Trump sued Maher because he took a similar statement as an actual bet indicating that he takes such things as actual bets. Unless you’re insinuating he’s a liar or something I think we should take him at his word. Was your take on that incident that Maher totally made a bet and should pay up? Was that the judge’s take? Assuming the answer to both of those questions is “no”, why should that be the interpretation now? ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/32 "2018-10-16T00:01:25Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Was your take on that incident that Maher totally made a bet and should pay up? Was that the judge’s take? Assuming the answer to both of those questions is “no”, why should that be the interpretation now? Why would my take or a judge’s take or your take or anyone’s take other than Trump’s matter? Donald Trump’s take matters because we know that he believes that such challenges are binding. He showed that when he sued Maher. Since we know that he takes such bets as binding, then we know that when he similarly challenged Warren that he meant it. Again, unless you think his suing Maher was disingenuous, but that couldn’t be true, right? ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/33 "2018-10-16T00:12:24Z")
[Cherokee Nation responds to Senator Warren’s DNA test](http://anadisgoi.com/2263-cherokee-nation-responds-to-release-of-senator-warren-s-dna-test.html) > [@](#): > > Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage Apparently they’ve got no use for her either. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/34 "2018-10-16T00:28:20Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > [Cherokee Nation responds to Senator Warren’s DNA test](http://anadisgoi.com/2263-cherokee-nation-responds-to-release-of-senator-warren-s-dna-test.html) > > Apparently they’ve got no use for her either. Who gives a crap? She’s not claiming any tribal membership so while it’s nice that news organizations might actual take the Cherokee Nations phone calls for next week or so, their statement is entirely irrelevant. I’m sure the Germans aren’t happy about Trump’s dad coming from there but that’s too bad. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/35 "2018-10-16T00:30:08Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Why would my take or a judge’s take or your take or anyone’s take other than Trump’s matter? Let’s just say that your willingness to accept Trump’s opinion on a matter at face value is entirely situational. I’m making that clear to our dear readers, with a big assist from you. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/36 "2018-10-16T00:34:31Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > [Cherokee Nation responds to Senator Warren’s DNA test](http://anadisgoi.com/2263-cherokee-nation-responds-to-release-of-senator-warren-s-dna-test.html) > > Apparently they’ve got no use for her either. Our despicable president has been calling her Pocahontas. Do you know if they have any thoughts about that? ---
**Author:** ![JB99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JB99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JB99)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/37 "2018-10-16T00:37:54Z")
We’re still fighting a 17-year-old war. Glad to see America is debating the important things. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/38 "2018-10-16T00:47:07Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Let’s just say that your willingness to accept Trump’s opinion on a matter at face value is entirely situational. I’m making that clear to our dear readers, with a big assist from you. So you’re saying you believe him to be a liar? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/39 "2018-10-16T01:04:26Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > So you’re saying you believe him to be a liar? No, I’m saying I believe you to be a thru-and-thru partisan. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/40 "2018-10-16T01:06:40Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Our despicable president has been calling her Pocahontas. Do you know if they have any thoughts about that? He did apologize to the actual Pocahontas … [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990.md?page=3)