# So Warren has Native American ancestry, 8 generations ago. Is she a minority? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 15, 2018, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990 "2018-10-15T16:26:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/121 "2018-10-22T21:42:58Z")
> [@Mr.Nylock](#): > > Here’s a crazy thought - if one needs to go to this level of analysis to determine if they are a minority they should perhaps err on the side of considering themselves not particularly disadvantaged. I found the inference made in this post to be so astoundingly ignorant that I did a Search on the poster. But he does NOT appear to be an extravagant right-winger or endorser of Stupidism. @ **Mr. Nylock** — What happened? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Nylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Mr.Nylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Nylock)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/122 "2018-10-23T00:57:17Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > That is a pretty crazy thought. You think Warren took this test to prove she was disadvantaged? I think that in this instance the fact that she was trying to take a DNA test was the wrong way to try to prove her point. I think there is just so much wrong with it in a way, starting with the fact that many prominent tribes don’t even use DNA testing to determine their status. Secondly, the fact that she uses something other than native american DNA to prove her native american heritage a little disgusting. One of the most tone deaf things I’ve ever seen a politician do. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Nylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Mr.Nylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Nylock)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/123 "2018-10-23T01:02:56Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I found the inference made in this post to be so astoundingly ignorant that I did a Search on the poster. But he does NOT appear to be an extravagant right-winger or endorser of Stupidism. > > @ **Mr. Nylock** — What happened? I would not call myself an endorser of stupid - I do have plenty of stupid thoughts. Perhaps, if my thoughts seem ignorant to you, you could try to counter them with some well informed rebuttal instead of spending all sorts of time digging into my post history. If you did good research on me as a poster you will see how often I accept someone else’s point of view if presented with valid information. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/124 "2018-10-23T01:23:23Z")
> [@Mr.Nylock](#): > > > [@Mr. Nylock](#): > > > > Here’s a crazy thought - if one needs to go to this level of analysis to determine if they are a minority they should perhaps err on the side of considering themselves not particularly disadvantaged. > > I would not call myself an endorser of stupid - I do have plenty of stupid thoughts. Perhaps, if my thoughts seem ignorant to you, you could try to counter them with some well informed rebuttal instead of spending all sorts of time digging into my post history. If you did good research on me as a poster you will see how often I accept someone else’s point of view if presented with valid information. So. Now you’re defending your earlier ridiculous comment, and saying you need a cite to refute it? And inviting me to … to do what exactly? Perform the trivial Google searches that you obviously didn’t bother to do? It is to laugh. You may force me to retract my half-compliment. 🙂 > [@Mr.Nylock](#): > > Secondly, the fact that she uses something other than native american DNA to prove her native american heritage a little disgusting. This is very confused. I don’t think Senator Warren claims to have any DNA expertise at all. The expert she consulted — we shall agree to disagree on whether that consultation was wise at all — presumably used the best diagnostics available to him. Oh. And BTW, Warren’s DNA was compared against Central and South Americans largely of pre-Columbian (“Native”) ancestry. I’ll let the experts determine whether those people are considered “Native Americans” or whether that term is reserved for “Natives” of the Continental United States. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Nylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Mr.Nylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Nylock)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/125 "2018-10-23T01:58:34Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > So. Now you’re defending your earlier ridiculous comment, and saying you need a cite to refute it? And inviting me to … to do what exactly? Perform the trivial Google searches that you obviously didn’t bother to do? It is to laugh. > > You may force me to retract my half-compliment. 🙂 > > This is very confused. I don’t think Senator Warren claims to have any DNA expertise at all. The expert she consulted — we shall agree to disagree on whether that consultation was wise at all — presumably used the best diagnostics available to him. > > Oh. And BTW, Warren’s DNA was compared against Central and South Americans largely of pre-Columbian (“Native”) ancestry. I’ll let the experts determine whether those people are considered “Native Americans” or whether that term is reserved for “Natives” of the Continental United States. :rolleyes: This discussion is just getting very boring. I’m sure you’re right and I’m wrong and I’m just some bigot right wing asshole on the internet blah blah blah. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/126 "2018-10-23T02:11:34Z")
> [@Mr.Nylock](#): > > This discussion is just getting very boring. I’m sure you’re right and I’m wrong and I’m just some bigot right wing asshole on the internet blah blah blah. At least you aren’t trying to manipulate things by using a different number of significant digits than he approves of! ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/127 "2018-10-23T19:22:51Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > At least you aren’t trying to manipulate things by using a different number of significant digits than he approves of! Since you’re tripling-down on your innumeracy: _ **The problem was never the number of sig figs you displayed. It was that your numbers were incorrect regardless of the choice of number of sig figs.** _ Was your primary math education Common Core? Or somethinge else? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/128 "2018-10-23T19:26:19Z")
> [@Mr.Nylock](#): > > This discussion is just getting very boring. I’m sure you’re right and I’m wrong and I’m just some bigot right wing asshole on the internet blah blah blah. You implied that Warren claimed Native American ancestry, and in particular had the DNA test done, to show she was “disadvantaged.” Do you stand by this? _ **Answer yes or No freely and I won’t respond.** _ Continue to snipe and snark and I may do the same. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/129 "2018-10-23T19:45:40Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Since you’re tripling-down on your innumeracy: > _ **The problem was never the number of sig figs you displayed. It was that your numbers were incorrect regardless of the choice of number of sig figs.** _ > > Was your primary math education Common Core? Or somethinge else? I said “the spread was given from 6 to 10 generations–that ranges from about 1.5% to 0.09%” this was accurate to two digits (with the two full numbers being (1.5625 and 0.09765625.) You then jumped in with this extremely hyperbolic reaction: > [@](#): > > Nitpick about arithmetic: To two sig figs, the correct numbers are 1.6% and 0.10%. > > Am I being petty to point this out? What I find petty is people twisting numbers to favor their argument, but twisting by an amount just small enough, that if someone points out the blunder it’s the correction that looks petty. With all kinds of highly obnoxious font modifications that didn’t copy over in the paste. But there is absolutely nothing wrong or inaccurate in my numbers and you are coming off as seriously weird in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Nylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Mr.Nylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Nylock)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2018, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/130 "2018-10-24T02:42:14Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > You implied that Warren claimed Native American ancestry, and in particular had the DNA test done, to show she was “disadvantaged.” Do you stand by this? > > _ **Answer yes or No freely and I won’t respond.** _ Continue to snipe and snark and I may do the same. Meh, I’m just going to ignore everything you write to me and about me in this thread; you are taking this thread in a tedious and wholly uninteresting direction. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2018, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/131 "2018-10-24T11:30:19Z")
> [@Mr.Nylock](#): > > Meh, I’m just going to ignore everything you write to me and about me in this thread; you are taking this thread in a tedious and wholly uninteresting direction. Libeling Senator Warren with a blatant falsehood is “interesting.” Objecting to the libel is “tedious.” Got it. With that … Yes, I agree ignoring each other is for the best. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2018, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/132 "2018-10-24T11:53:12Z")
**Moderator Note** **Mr. Nylock** and **septimus** , take your snipping at each other to the Pit, or just ignore each other as you’ve stated your intentions to be. Either way, keep it out of this thread. Let’s all get back to the original topic of this thread, please. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2018, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990/133 "2018-10-24T12:04:05Z")
Are you all missing the point that she only took the DNA test after being taunted by the Bully in Chief? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-warren-has-native-american-ancestry-8-generations-ago-is-she-a-minority/822990.md?page=6)