# So, what about that third Star Wars trilogy? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 23, 2006, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889 "2006-06-23T17:24:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889/21 "2006-06-23T22:21:25Z")
Okay. It’s a fair cop. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889/22 "2006-06-23T22:22:26Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Then, Lucas comes out and tells us that this empire is only about 20 years old? WTF? So, it’s likely to be just a tiny bump in the long history (forward and back) of the Republic. > > Anyone else go thru this line of thought way back when? Before all the books and games, that is, back when the first trilogy was an infant. Hear, hear. I was quite disappointed to find out that the Empire barely even got off the ground, ultimately. In the original trilogy, the Empire seemed to be this monolithic, nearly invincible thing, which had been around for a long, long time–after all, the Old Republic seemed to be just a distant memory. And then it turns out that the Empire had only just organized itself before these punks came and knocked it back over. Quite disappointing. > [@JSexton](#): > > I thought it was pretty clear that the Empire as we know it is a somewhat recent development. After all, in A New Hope, we learn that the Emperor has just dissolved the Senate, and given direct control of the planets to the local governors. That implies that, just prior to the movie, the Senate had possessed some power, even if it had been in a decline for a while. If I recall my Roman history correctly, the Roman senate survived throughout the entire Imperial period, from the days of Augustus on–the Wikipedia article puts its last recorded acts at around 600 CE. The same could’ve been true of the Galactic Senate–kept around to act as a rubber stamp for the Emperor and offer a veneer of legitimacy. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889/23 "2006-06-23T22:24:22Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > The real problem is - what is the critical problem that has to be solved?..Maybe, just maybe, if Luke is the chose one, not Anakin, it could show what is meant by the prophecy, and end up with a galaxy in harmony. Which would probably suck. Yep. Thing is, Jedis seriously rock. It’s really too bad Eps. I-III had to suck so very slurpily hard, because many of the fight scenes were freaking spectacular. I remember, when Darth Maul got bisected, I was sitting there thinking “Whah? Hey! Don’t kill him! That double lightsabre thing is cool! Aw nuts!” I could watch those guys jumping around, force-whompin’ and hacking stuff up all day. So just take the idea…take it right out of Lucas’ hands so he can’t ruin it anymore, pay him all the royalties he wants to stay the fuck away, and have some Dark Side cult start taking over the Galaxy again. The Neo-Jedi must outwit and outfight them, and look way cool all the while. Have it take place waaaay in the future. The events of the first six eps. are like stories we hear about Roman conquests. Maybe there’s been some cataclysm, knocking much of humanity back into the stone age, and Force lore is re-discovered by both those who wish to use the Light and Dark sides. Some big frickin’ Manichaean struggle and ensue, with those on both sides grappling with the whole force dualism thing, changing sides, vying for supremacy within their camps and against the other. Etc. No, not that original in overall concept, but the details could feel very fresh in the right hands. ---
**Author:** ![SpartanDC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b2d939/32.png) [@SpartanDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpartanDC)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889/24 "2006-06-23T22:24:29Z")
I don’t think a movie focusing on the internal politics of the New Republic would work so well. Then you end up having a movie that starts with a crawl saying something esoteric like “The taxation of trade routes is in dispute” and we all know you’d never do something like that, right? Right? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889/25 "2006-06-23T22:25:50Z")
Still, the point **Fish** makes throws a wrench into our mistaken (but really cool 🆒 ) reasonings. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889/26 "2006-06-23T22:28:03Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Still, the point **Fish** makes throws a wrench into our mistaken (but really cool 🆒 ) reasonings. That was in reply to **Lemur** , btw. Look at the monkey! Look at the monkey! ;j \<---------- Chewbacca going to Temple. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889/27 "2006-06-23T22:34:53Z")
> [@SNenc](#): > > I don’t think a movie focusing on the internal politics of the New Republic would work so well. Then you end up having a movie that starts with a crawl saying something esoteric like “The taxation of trade routes is in dispute” and we all know you’d never do something like that, right? Right? 😉 Agreed. It would end up looking like the Phantom Menace spoof in that Simpsons eoisode. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889/28 "2006-06-23T23:07:13Z")
> [@Dooku](#): > > Agreed. It would end up looking like the Phantom Menace spoof in that Simpsons eoisode. Shut up, **Dooku!** Your role ended in _Revenge of the Sith!_😃 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889/29 "2006-06-23T23:08:47Z")
> [@Fish](#): > > Movie trilogy? No. > > TV series, such as on the Sci-Fi channel? Sure, I’d go for that. :eek: I hope not! [So far, SW does not have a good track record on TV!](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Christmas_Special) ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889/30 "2006-06-23T23:10:24Z")
> [@](#): > > Shut up, Dooku! Your role ended in Revenge of the Sith! **Or** , it could focus on a young Sifo Dyas, his rise to a Jedi, then the next one could focus on his turning into Dooku, and then…and then…\. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2006, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889/31 "2006-06-24T00:22:14Z")
> [@Fish](#): > > “For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times. Before the Empire. … A young pupil of mine named Darth Vader helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. … Now the Jedi are all but extinct.” > > That seems to put the end of the Jedi and the rise of the Empire squarely in the lifetime of Obi-Wan, doesn’t it? Eh, we coulda gotten a least another 10 years out of the empire. Obi-Wan was played by a 63 year old man- and in my estimation he was _portrayed_ as a good ten years older. But let’s say 63. 63 minus 20 we get 43. _Sith_ has a 34 year old actor playing Obiwan. For _Menace_ he was 28, but I really think the character was supposed to be about 20. There’s about 10 to 15 years between _Menace_ and _Sith_, so if we are supposed to beilieve that the character is 43 in _Sith_, that would mean he was, at youngest, 28 in _Menace_- which I just don’t buy, not a 28 year old padawan. Even disregarding what the actor looks like, given the continuity between _Menace_ and _Sith_, we’ve got a mid-30’s Obi-Wan in _Sith_ and 20 years later we’ve got a mid-60’s Obi-Wan in _A New Hope_. So that gives us 30 years _however_ there’s no way Luke and Leia are a day over 20 in _A New Hope_. Given the age of Luke and Leia, it can only have been 20 years since the rise of the Empire. But when **No Clue Boy** and I first saw the 1977 film we did not know that Vader was Luke’s father (making a possible unfounded assumption about **No Clue Boy** ). So, all we knew was the Empire came to power during Obi-Wan’s lifetime- which could have been much farther back than 20 years ago (considering that Obi-Wan appeared to be so old in _A New Hope_). The confusion comes in because Lucas cast an actor who was way too old to play Obi-Wan in the first film. P.S. Is it difficult for anyone else to accept a mid-40’s Darth Vader??? I definitley always thought of him as being much older- even when I was young enough to think 40 was old! Sebastian Shaw was _almost EIGHTY_ when he played Anakin in _Jedi_! ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2006, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889/32 "2006-06-24T00:28:53Z")
Yeah, I saw it Star Wars before it even had episode numbers. And as I explained, we were already used to sci-fi empires often being extremely old. So it wasn’t a huge lack of logic to assume things about the Empire based on the original movie, esp if one assumes that some statements made by certain characters may be stretching the truth for unknown motives. Still, we were obviously reading in something that wasn’t quite there. What Lucas may have originally intended, who knows? And I don’t trust anything he has to say after the fact. Also, isn’t there a planned SW series already in negotiations? Seems like I read something about a guaranteed 100 episode run or something? More delusions? ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2006, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889/33 "2006-06-24T03:42:25Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Also, isn’t there a planned SW series already in negotiations? Seems like I read something about a guaranteed 100 episode run or something? [Ah-yup](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4808746.stm). ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2006, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889/34 "2006-06-24T12:39:43Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > P.S. Is it difficult for anyone else to accept a mid-40’s Darth Vader??? I definitley always thought of him as being much older- even when I was young enough to think 40 was old! Sebastian Shaw was _almost EIGHTY_ when he played Anakin in _Jedi_! Yeah, but he was playing a version that had taken a lava bath and then spent almost 25 years in a cybernetic life support suit. That’s bound to add a year or two to your skin. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2006, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889/35 "2006-06-24T15:20:48Z")
> [@Hal Briston](#): > > [Ah-yup](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4808746.stm). But it’s all about Young Luke. They’re still dodging the question of what happens to the galaxy after the Emperor and Vader die. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2006, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889/36 "2006-06-24T15:27:48Z")
“Because at Vader Sassoon, if you don’t look good, you choke us to death.” ---
**Author:** ![scotandrsn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@scotandrsn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotandrsn)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2006, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889/37 "2006-06-24T15:36:40Z")
I read an interview with Lucas, around the time the digitally-altered version of the original trilogy was making the rounds in the theaters, where he said that back in the day he had just liked the idea of a trilogy of trilogies. While the prequel trilogy was always in his mind, the follow-up trilogy was something he never had any ideas for (like he had all that many for the prequel?!?) and he was not going to make it. ---
**Author:** ![scotandrsn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@scotandrsn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotandrsn)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2006, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889/38 "2006-06-24T15:38:49Z")
> [@Hal Briston](#): > > [Ah-yup](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4808746.stm). You mean we’re going to get a series of Luke’s 20 years on a Tatooine moisture farm? “Little House in a Galaxy Far, Far Away”? That’s a series? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2006, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889/39 "2006-06-24T15:40:59Z")
> [@Hal Briston](#): > > [Ah-yup](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4808746.stm). Which is going to be a terminal yawner. Who cares what happened during that time? Watching Luke grow up is going to be pointless…you know nothing happened to him, ever. It couldn’t have, for him to be the innocent he was at the start of Episode IV. Even the adventures of the droids would be silly. Nope, this idea is going to bomb mightily. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2006, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889/40 "2006-06-24T15:50:37Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > . Nope, this idea is going to bomb mightily. Like Luke did womprats. Well, if it’s only focus is Luke as a boy, yeah, it’ll suck Hutts. But think of what else is going on in that galaxy during that time! Better than watching Germany in the 1920s! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-about-that-third-star-wars-trilogy/361889.md?page=3)