Now we know the answer to the OP’s question: “…what are the anti-vaccination people saying now that their evidence has turned to fraudulent poo?”
They’ll just generate more poo.
So what are the anti-vaccination people saying now that their evidence has turned to fraudulent poo?
You cannot possibly quote a website like whale to – a site filled with nonsense like this:
Or this:
and claim any credibility on this subject whatsoever.
How can you possibly compare a widely admired infectious diseases specialist with lunatics like these?
:rolleyes:
The HiB vaccine was not introduced until the 1990’s and subsequently reduced the incidence of bacterial meningitis by a huge margin. Does anyone really think we’ve become magically cleaner in twenty years?
FYI, my own daughter had many of the same symptoms Interested Observer talks about in her son after DTaP vaccination. So what? A vaccine reaction is not uncommon nor are most of them serious.
The only real sane reaction should your baby have a bad vaccine reaction is consult with your pediatrician. If the ped says no more vaccines the only non-idiotic step is to urge everyone else to vaccinate their babies so yours has reduced risk of vaccine preventable diseases.
Studies Find No Evidence That SV40 is Related to Human Cancer
Cancer Incidence in Denmark Following Exposure to Poliovirus Vaccine Contaminated With Simian Virus 40
I reviewed the scientific articles on the foundation cite, but couldn’t find any whose data supported a causal link. They seemed either to indicate that SV40 (or a similar sequence) is present in tumors, or that further investigation is needed.
Worse.
Contagious fools.
Thank you anti-vaxxers:
Is it wrong to say that people who are too stupid to vaccinate their offspring might help the gene pool by losing them in childhood?
I responded factually to some of the major antivax ignorance you presented - the inane “hygiene and better food eliminated vaccine-preventable diseases” argument and the equally ignorant accompanying claim that such diseases were disappearing before vaccines were introduced. I don’t see you acknowledging your errors in this regard.
What you’ve done is post a bunch of irrelevant and downright false information in an attempt to show that vaccines are bad and unnecessary. Spewing out this sort of crap is known as a “Gish gallop” for good reason.
“the Gish Gallop is an informal name for a rhetorical technique in debates that involves drowning the opponent in half-truths, lies, straw men, and bullshit to such a degree that the opponent cannot possibly answer every falsehood that has been raised”
Instead of resorting to this shopworn technique, take your own advice, “Buck up and do…research”. Present a coherent argument with evidence that directly addresses the points you’re trying to make. The typical antivaxer uses biased and unreliable sites like NVIC, but in my experience it’s only hardcore loons that reference whale.to. If you desire even a shred of credibility (it’s probably too late for that), go elsewhere for your flood of quotes and irrelevant studies.
Interesting to see that, having praised “hygiene” for supposedly eliminating or drastically reducing vaccine-preventable diseases, you’ve suddenly recognized that polio doesn’t fall into that category. Rather than acknowledge vaccination for having eliminated that scourge in developed nations, you’ve apparently decided that can be overlooked because of the SV40 myth (which I see another poster has exploded).
Paul Offit is a distinguished researcher, an inventor of a rotavirus vaccine, and a respected expert on vaccine efficacy and safety. Antivaxers hate him because he is an effective counterweight to their idiocy (he is the author of the recently published “Autism’s False Prophets”, a devastating expose of antivax ideology, which goes into Wakefield’s activities as well. He has designated the profits from this book to go to autism research). Comparing him to the nutbags on whale.to shows how far outside even the antivax mainstream you are.
It must be quite a busy life, what with all these conspiracies you are intent on revealing. What other horrific government/industry plots are you working to foil? The Aspartame Conspiracy? Chemtrails? Enlighten us.
And when you and your family get sick, what remedies do you use? Whale.to has some terrific ones you should look into (if you’re not already taking them) - colloidal silver, “urine therapy”, homeopathy, ultraviolet blood irradiation (now there’s nature at its finest), etc. And for general well-being, don’t get caught without your orgonite, order whale.to’s “Holy Hand Grenades”*.
*You can’t make up this stuff. Well, lots of stuff on that site is made up, but jeez, these people are serious.
It’s tempting to think so, but their kids don’t deserve to suffer for the foolishness of their parents, nor should we or our children pay the price for the diminishing of herd immunity that results from the activities of antivaxers.
In my research about the H1N1 vaccine, I saw many Google results with URLs that implied “vaccine truth” or naturalistic medicine websites trumpeting the case of a 14 year old who got Gulliane-Barre Syndrome hours after getting the H1N1 vaccine.
I wonder how many mentioned the fact that you can also get GBS from the flu, and that it’s actually a lot more likely with said flu?
Another wrinkle in the Wakefield affair - a high-powered British public relations firm appears to have had second thoughts about taking on Wakefield as a client.
Brian Deer has more.
*"Observers say that the doctor may now be the victim of a domino effect, which threatens to see him lose his fellowship of the UK’s Royal College of Pathologists, which he obtained in 2001 on the basis of a submission of his publications, and even potentially spark the collapse of a new celebrity-led American anti-vaccine movement.
In recent weeks, dozens of American newspapers, including The New York Times, The San Francisco Chronicle and the Los Angeles Times have published editorials condemning his conduct.
“Hippocrates would puke,” the New York Daily News headlined its opinion of Wakefield two weeks ago. “Doctor hoaxed parents into denying kids vaccine.”
The turnaround in his fortunes marks the climax of a Sunday Times investigation, which, in a series of revelations since February 2004, triggered the GMC inquiry, the Lancet’s belated retraction, and what appears to be Wakefield’s professional ruin."*
Wakefield is also trying to obtain an indefinite delay in a press complaint he filed against Deer. Apparently he doesn’t need any more of his dominos toppling right now.
I doubt we’ll see Wakefield fall out of the antivax spotlight entirely. His role-playing as brave maverick doctor martyr is made to order for one of the antivax autism advocacy groups (or as director of some quack clinic), as noted here.
I suppose. Darn you and your compassionate logic!
Do you happen to have a link to or title of that study on historically-corrected diagnosis of autism? I’d love to see it.
I may have described it incorrectly as people retroactively analysing historical data. What they actually did was a current survey of mental disorders, and so you can analyze the demographics of people who currently have autism. My conclusion was correct, though.
Here’s the NHS page about it. The data comes from the Adult Psychiatric Morbidity in England study, specifically this.
They applied the modern definition for an autistic spectrum disorder to a national cross section of the population, and found that the rate of diagnosable autism spectrum disorders is the same for all age groups. If there truly were a recent explosion in autism rates as the conspiracy theorists/antivaxers suggest, you’d have more young people with autism. But no, the issue is that now autism is more widely diagnosed, because doctors look for it more, and because we’ve broadened the definition of what qualifies as an autism spectrum disorder. So the actual rate of diagnosis is higher, but it’s not due to an actual increase in the incidence of autism.
I don’t think that it’s been truly determined yet if the incidence rate is solely from from criteria changes, or a true incidence increase. Regardless it’s serious problem for which people need solutions and help.
Concerning the consequences of the Wakefield debacle, I posted the following in another thread.