# So what bad guys ought to show up on the new 'Doctor Who?' **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 2, 2003, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214 "2003-10-02T21:48:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214/21 "2003-10-03T22:11:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Art Vandelay, Architect \* > **I’d like to see the Daleks…** As I mentioned in another thread, that could present a [continuity problem](http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho/episodeguide/remembrancedaleks/plot.shtml). (link contains spoilers for those who have yet to see Series 25) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214/22 "2003-10-03T22:15:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hugh Jass \* > \*\*It’s my understanding that his name is NOT Dr. Who. I think there might be a flub somewhere in all those episodes where he is called Dr. Who, though. It would ruin it if we knew his name. Besides, didn’t he say his name was John Smith (Jon Pertwee)?😉 \*\* I know of one such flub. In series 25 episode [Silver Nemisis](http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho/episodeguide/silvernemesis/), spoken by Lady Peinforte. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Rieux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Dr.Rieux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Rieux)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214/23 "2003-10-03T23:35:01Z")
The Wild Sorority Girls of Planet Playtex. No, wait–that’s Star Trek… ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2003, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214/24 "2003-10-04T01:18:31Z")
The Meddling Monk. Because he was only one of two Dr. Who villains who were not trying to be evil. He (and the other, Helen A.) were trying to do good (even by non-twisted standards). It wouldn’t be bad to bring back the Black Guardian, too – caused the Doctor trouble for years despite only appearing on the show two or three times. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2003, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214/25 "2003-10-04T02:58:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RealityChuck \* > \*\*The Meddling Monk. > \*\* Definately, if they can find someone like Peter Butterworth to play him. I’d also like to see the old fashioned Cybermen with the cloth looking blank faces and human hands. Creepy. And Ice Warriors, as look as they aren’t as shiny when filmed in color. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2003, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214/26 "2003-10-04T03:07:18Z")
I always thought that the references to the Doctor being named “Who” were related to the name he foreswore after becoming a renegade, “Who” being only the first or most prominant syllable of his full Time Lord name. I’d like to finally see a full explanation of his Gallifreyan past. Are the Master and the Rani spouses? They seem to know each other from back in the day, and certainly those two psychopaths deserve each other. If so, I have this idea for one of the Doctor’s new companions: A young female Gallifreyan cadet, in training to become a full Time Lord, who is their daughter, and having a terrible time downliving her parents’ reputation. When no one else will sponsor her field trials in time travel, she turns to the Doctor (who despite everything remains technically qualified as an instructor), and he takes her on, despite not being absolutely sure she isn’t planning to follow in her parents’ footsteps. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2003, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214/27 "2003-10-04T03:20:58Z")
No, his name isn’t Who. The origin came from the second episode of the series when Ian Chesterton says something like “Dr. Foreman, that’s not his name. Who is he? Doctor Who?” ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2003, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214/28 "2003-10-04T16:59:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Michael Ellis \* > \*\*No, his name isn’t Who. The origin came from the second episode of the series when Ian Chesterton says something like “Dr. Foreman, that’s not his name. Who is he? Doctor Who?” \*\* I’ve read that “Doctor _Who_?” was the standard response whenever the Doctor said his real name. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2003, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214/29 "2003-10-04T19:12:17Z")
“Oh No! It’s **Dick Cheney!** ” **RUN!** I hear that the _Haliburtons_ can be pretty darned evil. ---
**Author:** ![Verrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/46a35a/32.png) [@Verrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Verrain)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2003, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214/30 "2003-10-05T07:05:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Michael Ellis \* > \*\* > I’d also like to see the old fashioned Cybermen with the cloth looking blank faces and human hands. Creepy. > \*\* IIRC the Cybermen no longer have human hands. They’ve gradually been replacing their organic parts with mechanical ones. **Verrain** told me that they had difficulties with the brain, but have finally overcome this obstacle and are now completely mechanical. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Nader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Darth\_Nader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Nader)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2003, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214/31 "2003-10-05T07:19:49Z")
As long as Anthony Ainley\* gets some screen time, I’ll be happy. Stephen Hawking as Davros seems sort of mean-spirited, but if he was up for it, that would be pretty cool, actually… [sub]\*[http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/PersonDetail/personid-4596](http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/PersonDetail/personid-4596) [/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Futile\_Gesture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f05b48/32.png) [@Futile\_Gesture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Futile_Gesture)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2003, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214/32 "2003-10-05T12:48:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Verrain \* > **IIRC the Cybermen no longer have human hands.** The point with time travel is that there is _always_ a ‘longer’. ---
**Author:** ![Pushkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@Pushkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pushkin)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2003, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214/33 "2003-10-05T17:00:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jeff Olsen \* > \*\*As I mentioned in another thread, that could present a [continuity problem](http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho/episodeguide/remembrancedaleks/plot.shtml). (link contains spoilers for those who have yet to see Series 25) \*\* Don’t the Daleks have time travel abilities too? I love the series but I’m not a big enough fan to know for sure. They _must_ come back! ---
**Author:** ![Pushkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@Pushkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pushkin)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2003, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214/34 "2003-10-05T17:04:17Z")
Sorry, I forgot to mention the [Yeti!](http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho/alien/yeti.shtml) I cant remember anything of the episode other than the fact that they scared me when I was young 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2003, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214/35 "2003-10-05T18:05:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Verrain \* > **IIRC the Cybermen no longer have human hands. They’ve gradually been replacing their organic parts with mechanical ones.** In the cybermen’s first appearance, _The Tenth Planet_, their costumes had human arms. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2003, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214/36 "2003-10-05T20:04:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Pushkin \* > \*\*Don’t the Daleks have time travel abilities too? I love the series but I’m not a big enough fan to know for sure. They _must_ come back! \*\* I’m not sure either, which is why I said it could be a problem. I know they were after the Hand of Omega because it would elevate them to the same level as the Time Lords. ---
**Author:** ![Crescent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e99b99/32.png) [@Crescent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crescent)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2003, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214/37 "2003-10-06T00:07:13Z")
I know I’m out of it, but … new Doctor Who?? I haven’t heard! I’ve been busy collecting all the old ones on DVD as they’re being released. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2003, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214/38 "2003-10-06T00:29:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Michael Ellis \* > \*\*In the cybermen’s first appearance, _The Tenth Planet_, their costumes had human arms. \*\* Unfortunately, I can’t remember what the site was. But, I have seen a site with pictures of the Cybermen’s changing appearance. They started out as wrapped in bandages, with huge respirators on their chests, and bare hands. The commentary read, in part, “If you could smell them, they’d smell of hospitals.”. Each time they’ve appeared, the Cyberman have looked more mechanical. Ah! A search on “Cybermen”(AND)“hospitals” yields [this.](http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho/features/cybermen.shtml) ---
**Author:** ![Semp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Semp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Semp)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2003, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214/39 "2003-10-06T01:36:27Z")
Movellans. They were supposed to be the big pain in the Daleks’ ass (although, where their ass would be is anyone’s guess), whuppin’ 'em in a big intergalactic mega-war, and yet we saw them _once_. Besides, I had a crush on that Movellan chick (Agella?) when I was 12. And if you’re going to put the Daleks in the middle of a big war, why not set them against the Sontarans? Didn’t they have a gigantic army? You could drop the Tardis (in a quarry) on a planet featuring a 3 way war between the Daleks, Movellans and Sontarans, and hey, the script practically writes itself. And Rutans! Yeah! Oooh! I got it! A planet full of Adric clones, being fought over by the Daleks, Movellans, Sontarans and Rutans! It could end with the local sun going supernova, and everyone would be happy! ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2003, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214/40 "2003-10-06T04:44:03Z")
First of all, is there a new Doctor Who in the works, or is this just for if and when a new one is made? Second, I always thought that since we all know (those of us who saw Remembrance of the Daleks) that Davros escaped (again) that it would be cool if he and the cybermen (you know that there has to be one or two that survived) combined forces and a new Cyber-Dalek would be created. Just think of this, the lower body of a Dalek, and the upper body of a Cyberman. It think that that would be cool. And hey, even though I love the series, in fact I’m collecting it, I haven’t seen them all. Is there any episodes that show what the Rutans look like? I’ve seen the Sontarans, but not the Rutans. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-bad-guys-ought-to-show-up-on-the-new-doctor-who/205214.md?page=3)