# So, What DO you do with the money, fuckheads? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 21, 2007, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353 "2007-11-21T19:18:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Zambini57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/4491bb/32.png) [@Zambini57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zambini57)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353/1 "2007-11-21T19:18:28Z")
I may only have 300 posts, but I have lurked here a long time. I was around when Satan and heartherlee were still friends. I was around when Mark Serlin was posting his “poofy hair” bit, and Opal was cutting herself due to comments made by PunditLisa. That said, this board was shitty then, and it is shitty now. Servers down all the time. But now you have revenue amounting to several hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, and yet the same shitty service. What have you done with our money, jackasses? Many people who are in the biz have testified about the cost of servers appropriate for running this site properly. They have stated that you have MORE than enough to meet the needs of the PAYING users. So what’s the deal? And please, I don’t care to hear from those die-hards to whom the SDMB is God, Allah, Gaia, Ahiator, or whoever else is dumbfuck enough to not care about getting what they have paid for. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353/2 "2007-11-21T19:25:36Z")
Well, i agree with you that the board’s performance can be shitty at times, and that it does get annoying, but i’m not sure how you come to the conclusion that there is “revenue amounting to several hundreds of thousands of dollars per year.” Revenue of, say, $300,000 per year, would require 20,000 full-price paid subscriptions @ $15 per member. I’m pretty sure the SDMB has nowhere near 20,000 paying subscribers. Also, a lot of the paid subscribers are Charter Members, meaning that they pay half price for their membership. Now, there is also some revenue from the Google adwords, and i truly have no idea how much it is, but i’d be very surprised if it added up to more than a few grand a year. And if i’m a typical user, probably less, because i block the ads using Firefox, and would never click on them anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Plynck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Plynck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plynck)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353/3 "2007-11-21T19:26:46Z")
Is a Zambini one of those things they use before a hockey game? I always wanted to drive one of those. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353/4 "2007-11-21T19:30:35Z")
[QUOTE=Zambini57] That said, this board was shitty then, and it is shitty now. [/quote] This is a reasonable assertion. > [@](#): > > But now you have revenue amounting to several hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, and yet the same shitty service. This is not. Even if we assume that every member pays $15, that would require 6,667 members per year just to achieve an income of $100,000. I think you can rest assured in the knowledge that there are not that many people that pay on the entire board, let alone at the full rate. > [@](#): > > What have you done with our money, jackasses? That’s a good question, but why do you think they owe you something? You paid knowing what it was like, and you can vote with your feet at any time. Perhaps that will prompt some movement towards improvement, but the status quo generally accomplishes nothing. > [@](#): > > And please, I don’t care to hear from those die-hards to whom the SDMB is God, Allah, Gaia, Ahiator, or whoever else is dumbfuck enough to not care about getting what they have paid for. It’s not God to me. I don’t spend neraly as much time here as I used to. Nevertheless, I got exactly what I paid for. I have access to the SDMB, no more and no less. How much more should I care? ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353/5 "2007-11-21T19:32:29Z")
Maybe I’m not around online for all of the times the servers are down here, because I’ve never experienced it. Ever. And I’ve lurked around here for awhile before I subscribed also. ---
**Author:** ![Zambini57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/4491bb/32.png) [@Zambini57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zambini57)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353/6 "2007-11-21T19:34:01Z")
[QUOTE=Plynck] Is a Zambini one of those things they use before a hockey game? I always wanted to drive one of those. [/QUOTE] No, that’s a ZamBONI. Pinhead. Bit nice try at attempting to ridicule my post. You might be one of those types who wouldn’t say "shit’ if he had a mouthful. ---
**Author:** ![Swampwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Swampwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swampwolf)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353/7 "2007-11-21T19:34:44Z")
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**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353/8 "2007-11-21T19:36:01Z")
This board performs WAY better than it did in 2003, when I joined. I remember losing at least 35% of my posts–maybe more–to server hiccups. That’s when I got in the habit of writing my posts out in Notepad and then cutting and pasting them to the Reply box, which I still do to this day. The board was also down a lot more often then, and it was a lot slower. (Granted, some of this could be due to a smaller user base.) ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353/9 "2007-11-21T19:37:27Z")
[QUOTE=Zambini57] I may only have 300 posts, but I have lurked here a long time. . . . That said, this board was shitty then, and it is shitty now. [/quote] Then why the fuck are you still here? I seriously cannot understand this. _This place is the shits! I’ve been here forever and it’s sucked the whole time!_ Do you honestly not see the irony in this? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353/10 "2007-11-21T19:46:05Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] Then why the fuck are you still here? I seriously cannot understand this. _This place is the shits! I’ve been here forever and it’s sucked the whole time!_ Do you honestly not see the irony in this? [/QUOTE] The Straight Dope-Fulfilling Your Masochistic Needs Since 1973. ---
**Author:** ![Zambini57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/4491bb/32.png) [@Zambini57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zambini57)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353/11 "2007-11-21T19:47:56Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] Then why the fuck are you still here? I seriously cannot understand this. _This place is the shits! I’ve been here forever and it’s sucked the whole time!_ Do you honestly not see the irony in this? [/QUOTE] Oh, OK Jodi. Nice ass-covering. You’ve further endeared yourself to the SDMB regs. Maybe you can get some props in the next MMP. I stay here for various reasons. Mostly stated before. I like the book threads Most of what I have read in years past is due to those threads. Same with movies. I like the car repair advice. I posted one recently and was helped. I want my goddamn moneys worth. No, wait. Not really. I just want an explaination. Many other boards seem to have no such problems. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353/12 "2007-11-21T19:48:06Z")
Let me ask you a question: What, exactly, would you LIKE for your money? Seriously. What is it that you WANT? It’s easy to bitch. But please, take this opportunity to list the things that you want from this board that you think you ought to be getting for the money. Furthermore, I’d like you to let me (and the rest of the board) know how you arrived at your estimate regarding board revenue. By all means, please. I would like to understand why you’re dissatisfied, but you must see that your unsubstantiated assertions and baseless guesses as to the money side of things makes it difficult to take your side. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353/13 "2007-11-21T19:50:05Z")
[QUOTE=Airman Doors, USAF to the OP] That’s a good question, but why do you think they owe you something? You paid knowing what it was like, and you can vote with your feet at any time. [/QUOTE] Not to come down on either side, but one of the reasons some people paid was possibly in part because of the hope of improved performance. Many people had even offered to _donate_ money to help performance long before pay-to-post. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353/14 "2007-11-21T19:51:34Z")
[QUOTE=Zambini57] Bit nice try at attempting to ridicule my post. [/QUOTE] How _do_ you get that stick shoved so far up there? Or maybe they just don’t have jokes where you come from. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353/15 "2007-11-21T19:52:16Z")
Well, it’s about time _someone_ had the courage to bring this up! I mean geesh, it’s been weeks since someone bitched. Look, you like the good stuff. Obviously there’s more good stuff than bad stuff, or you would’nt have ponied up the $15. It’s a simple cost/benefit analysis. Yeah, the shitty parts are shitty, but (for me) the good outweighs the bad. If it sucks so much, chalk the $15 up to a learning experience and stop torturing yourself by posting here. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353/16 "2007-11-21T19:53:20Z")
[QUOTE=Zambini57] Oh, OK Jodi. Nice ass-covering. You’ve further endeared yourself to the SDMB regs. Maybe you can get some props in the next MMP. [/quote] My ass is currently covered by a nice medium weight denim, thanks; I’m not much concerned about my level of endearment here; and I never read the MMPs. So I guess your response is that the _entire_ Board isn’t the suxors, right? And this is just the latest in the garden-variety “bitching about Board performance” threads. I’ve got no problem with that; bitch away; at least you’ve removed the element of “THIS RESTAURANT SUCKS! THE FOOD IS COLD, THE SERVICE IS SLOW, AND THE TABLES ARE DIRTY! Meet you back here tomorrow for dinner!” That’s the part that was amazing me. Happy griping. ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353/17 "2007-11-21T19:53:50Z")
It doesn’t seem like you care to hear from members. Maybe you should e-mail someone higher up on the food chain to get an answer. I suspect you’ll never get the answer you’re looking for, however. ---
**Author:** ![Zambini57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/4491bb/32.png) [@Zambini57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zambini57)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353/18 "2007-11-21T19:55:40Z")
[QUOTE=Happy Scrappy Hero Pup] Let me ask you a question: What, exactly, would you LIKE for your money? Seriously. What is it that you WANT? It’s easy to bitch. But please, take this opportunity to list the things that you want from this board that you think you ought to be getting for the money. Furthermore, I’d like you to let me (and the rest of the board) know how you arrived at your estimate regarding board revenue. By all means, please. I would like to understand why you’re dissatisfied, but you must see that your unsubstantiated assertions and baseless guesses as to the money side of things makes it difficult to take your side. [/QUOTE] First, don’t make the mistake of thinking that I am the only one wondering. I bet even Jodi would like an answer, but she is afraid of alienating herself. What would I like ? An accounting. This board used to be completely free. It had a certain level of service. Now, it is not free. The SDMB is hundreds of thousands of dollars in the black, and the service is the same. Many of you would be asking this same exact question, and you know it, if you weren’t so afraid of alienating yourself from the SDMB worshippers. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353/19 "2007-11-21T19:59:28Z")
[QUOTE=Zambini57] Now, it is not free. The SDMB is hundreds of thousands of dollars in the black… [/QUOTE] Really? I’m sure you have some evidence of this, based on revenue and server costs? Look, i’ve been critical in the past of the board’s poor performance, and i agree that the performance can still be pretty bad at times. I also think that there have been lots of promises, followed by not much improvement. But you don’t do yourself any favors by simply making shit up. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353/20 "2007-11-21T20:00:33Z")
[QUOTE=Zambini57] Now, it is not free. The SDMB is hundreds of thousands of dollars in the black, and the service is the same. [/QUOTE] That’s the second time you’ve asserted that. Mathematically it simply isn’t true. Why do you insist that this is correct when there is no possible way it could be? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-do-you-do-with-the-money-fuckheads/427353.md?page=2)