# So what if Roe v. Wade is overturned? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 27, 2020, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653 "2020-09-27T07:51:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/202 "2022-05-03T12:18:02Z")
Link that includes the full draft of the ruling, > **[Exclusive: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion...](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473)** > > “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft circulated inside the court. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/203 "2022-05-03T12:24:06Z")
Most disturbing, and frightening, sentence that puts at risk not just abortion but every right we have, “… Even though the Constitution makes no mention of abortion, …” Really? Is that how you think Constitutional rights work Alito? ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/204 "2022-05-03T12:32:17Z")
I hope that all states that are for women’s reproductive rights boycott all those that aren’t. Personally, the south is dead to me. Once my parents pass I’ll never step foot in any of those “shitholes” again (to quote a certain personage). Nor will I buy from any business that HQs itself down there. Enough is enough. These fucks have been fighting the Civil War since 1865. We are a country first, a collection of states second. Done. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/205 "2022-05-03T12:36:44Z")
It’s not just southern states – Ohio and Michigan are among those states where abortion will be illegal the moment Roe is actually overturned, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/206 "2022-05-03T12:38:56Z")
Rights that are not explicitly stated in the Constitution: - Government-paid defense counsel in criminal cases - Public accommodations not segregated by race, sex, or gender - Interracial marriage and same-sex marriage - Free access to contraception - The right to choose to engage in any type of sex with any type of person, including oral or anal sex, sex outside of marriage, any kind of non-straight sex ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/207 "2022-05-03T12:42:01Z")
The only quibble I have is your fourth point should probably read “Legal access to contraception”. I think that’s what you meant, but it looks like you’re saying that contraception should be paid for. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/208 "2022-05-03T12:49:12Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#): > > Nor will I buy from any business that HQs itself down there. Would you watch a Disney movie if they moved everything but the park from Florida, simply because of the massive work that such a relocation would involve? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/209 "2022-05-03T12:49:20Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > I think that’s what you meant, but it looks like you’re saying that contraception should be paid for. “free” meaning free of restrictions ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/210 "2022-05-03T12:49:52Z")
Which states are overwhelmingly likely to ban abortion if Roe is overturned: [https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/styles/scale\_900x720/public/images/scotus\_landing\_page\_map\_26\_states.png?itok=vPhcOB5n](https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/styles/scale_900x720/public/images/scotus_landing_page_map_26_states.png?itok=vPhcOB5n) The source page, and list, for those who got a B- in Geography 😉 > **[26 States Are Certain or Likely to Ban Abortion Without Roe: Here’s Which...](https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2021/10/26-states-are-certain-or-likely-ban-abortion-without-roe-heres-which-ones-and-why)** > > Updated on April 19, 2022: This analysis has been updated to reflect Wyoming’s enactment of a "trigger" ban in March 2022 that moved the state from the category of likely to ban abortion to certain to ban abortion if Roe v. Wade is overturned.... ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/211 "2022-05-03T12:50:34Z")
Disney is actually HQd in California. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/212 "2022-05-03T12:51:03Z")
But it can’t be! Justice Kavanaugh said it wouldn’t be so! Full Title: **Clips of Sen. Susan Collins saying Justice Kavanaugh sees Roe v. Wade as ‘settled law’ are circulating after report indicates Supreme Court appears poised to roll back abortion rights** > **[Clips of Sen. Susan Collins saying Justice Kavanaugh sees Roe v. Wade as...](https://www.businessinsider.com/clips-of-susan-collins-defending-kavanaugh-on-abortion-are-resurfacing-2022-5)** > > "I do not believe that Brett Kavanaugh will overturn Roe. v. Wade," Collins said on multiple occasions during the confirmation of the Supreme Court Justice. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/213 "2022-05-03T12:52:06Z")
Ah, if that were the _only_ lie he told during the confirmation process. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/214 "2022-05-03T12:52:57Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Disney is actually HQd in California. Well, shoot. 😳 Hypothetically? ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/215 "2022-05-03T13:02:40Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > But it can’t be! Justice Kavanaugh said it wouldn’t be so! Even if Kavanaugh were to dissent, wouldn’t there still be five votes to overturn Roe? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/216 "2022-05-03T13:03:41Z")
For those interested (this is the complete statement): > **Pelosi, Schumer Joint Statement on Reported Draft Supreme Court Decision to Overturn Roe v. Wade** > > MAY 2, 2022 PRESS RELEASE > > _Washington, D.C. – House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer issued this statement following media reports of a draft Supreme Court decision overturning the landmark Roe v. Wade ruling:_ > > “If the report is accurate, the Supreme Court is poised to inflict the greatest restriction of rights in the past fifty years – not just on women but on all Americans. > > “The Republican-appointed Justices’ reported votes to overturn Roe v. Wade would go down as an abomination, one of the worst and most damaging decisions in modern history. > > “Several of these conservative Justices, who are in no way accountable to the American people, have lied to the U.S. Senate, ripped up the Constitution and defiled both precedent and the Supreme Court’s reputation – all at the expense of tens of millions of women who could soon be stripped of their bodily autonomy and the constitutional rights they’ve relied on for half a century. > > “The party of Lincoln and Eisenhower has now completely devolved into the party of Trump. Every Republican Senator who supported Senator McConnell and voted for Trump Justices pretending that this day would never come will now have to explain themselves to the American people.” [SOURCE](https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/5222-2) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/217 "2022-05-03T13:06:43Z")
It’s hard to say. Would you boycott Tyler Perry movies if they don’t move their studios out of Atlanta? I would count how complicit or how opposed a company is to the policies their state has imposed on my feelings towards them. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/218 "2022-05-03T13:10:19Z")
That makes sense. And I’ve never seen a Tyler Perry movie but I’m a lifelong Marvel fan, so it’s a serious issue for me! 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/219 "2022-05-03T13:30:35Z")
Interesting: > **[Amazon will pay US staff travel expenses for abortions and other treatments](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61301911)** > > The firm will reimburse travel costs for various treatments in the US, including abortion. ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/220 "2022-05-03T13:33:00Z")
Then they too would be dead to me. From among the blue states I can do all my shopping quite nicely, ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/221 "2022-05-03T13:44:21Z")
> **[We’re Not Going Back to “Before Roe.” We’re Going Somewhere Worse.](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/12/not-going-back-to-before-roe-religion.html)** > > Taking back the right to abortion requires some terrifying religious zealotry. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653.md?page=12)