# So what is the "final solution"? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 31, 2010, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095 "2010-08-31T04:11:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/21 "2010-08-31T05:54:38Z")
I vote three-state solution, myself, with Gaza either being independent or annexed by Egypt and the West Bank either independent or annexed by Jordan. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/22 "2010-08-31T06:12:29Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I vote three-state solution, myself, with Gaza either being independent or annexed by Egypt and the West Bank either independent or annexed by Jordan. Funny, I was just discussing Israel with some people and one of them brought this up. Personally, I think it doesn’t matter. Israel should just dump both gaza and the west bank and let them figure it out. Although I agree that 3 states are looking more realistic. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/23 "2010-08-31T07:43:35Z")
> [@The\_Facts](#): > > I am looking for ideas. What is a better solution to the problem of the Jews? _The problem of the Jews?_ Holy shit, dude. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/24 "2010-08-31T08:38:48Z")
> [@chacoguy](#): > > > [@The\_Facts](#): > > > > what do you do with an ethnic group that does not fit in but does not have a homeland? > > Good point; what should we do with the rednecks? Scotland isn’t a homeland? ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/25 "2010-08-31T09:30:20Z")
> [@The\_Facts](#): > > I am looking for ideas. What is a better solution to the problem of the Jews? Are you looking for actual ideas, or just more anti-semitic rants? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/26 "2010-08-31T11:17:46Z")
Is there a reason you continue to misspell “Israel” after numerous people spelled it correctly in this thread? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Facts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@The\_Facts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Facts)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/27 "2010-08-31T11:51:50Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Is there a reason you continue to misspell “Israel” after numerous people spelled it correctly in this thread? Sorry boss, I didn’t realize this was spelling class. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Facts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@The\_Facts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Facts)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/28 "2010-08-31T11:52:57Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > > [@The\_Facts](#): > > > > I am looking for ideas. What is a better solution to the problem of the Jews? > > Are you looking for actual ideas, or just more anti-semitic rants? Yes, do you have any? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Facts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@The\_Facts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Facts)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/29 "2010-08-31T11:54:24Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > > [@The\_Facts](#): > > > > I am looking for ideas. What is a better solution to the problem of the Jews? > > _The problem of the Jews?_ Holy shit, dude. Maybe we’re different, but when I see people being killed on TV, I think it’s a problem. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Facts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@The\_Facts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Facts)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/30 "2010-08-31T11:56:57Z")
> [@The\_Facts](#): > > It’s time to end the Isreal experiment: it didn’t work. Even if this were true, you can’t unmake an omelet son. Things are what they are - the Israeli Jews are not going to decide to relocate to Kamchatka to suit your skewed notion of what’s expedient. _Maybe_ if we gave them the whole of the U.S. Pacific Coast - San Francisco has to have better weather than Tel Aviv. But then I might have to learn Hebrew and I hear those Semitic languages are tough. I wasn’t even any good at French. Just so this thread isn’t a complete waste, an early [Pere Ubu](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VelS-YCtHV4) song. [/QUOTE] Except people already live there. That’s back to square one. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Facts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@The\_Facts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Facts)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/31 "2010-08-31T11:58:18Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > > [@The\_Facts](#): > > > > ? Hell, if the USA just stopped sending them weapons, they’d have to go. > > Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha no. Israel doesn’t depend on US aid, although it does save lives. But it’s not like Israel is on life support. For it’s size, Israel is almost definetly the strongest country in the world. And with it’s enemies being the many Arab nations, who may be ten times bigger but work together about as well as cats and dogs do, I doubt Israel will lose a war. Suffer loses due to shitty commanders? Sure. But not lose. Good, then they won’t miss the billions in weaponry they are given every year. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/32 "2010-08-31T12:04:58Z")
The best location for a Jewish homeland would have been the Baltic coast of Germany and Poland. Whether you agree, Facts, will depend on just what kind of Jew hater you are. The Siberia suggestion is funny. If you were in charge of the relocation effort, would the Jews you put on trains actually make it to Siberia? Or would they “get lost” along the way? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/33 "2010-08-31T12:05:12Z")
> [@The\_Facts](#): > > > [@Czarcasm](#): > > > > Is there a reason you continue to misspell “Israel” after numerous people spelled it correctly in this thread? > > Sorry boss, I didn’t realize this was spelling class. Ignorance is not something to take pride in. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Facts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@The\_Facts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Facts)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/34 "2010-08-31T12:06:42Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > You have made your intentions clear. > > The problem is not Jews, it is you, and your kind. We need to find a solution for the religion of hate which infects us. It’s first commandment is to credit yourself with the achievements of others with whom you percieve a resemblance. It’s second is to blame all of your failures on those perceived as most contrasting. It’s third is to murder and torture them in a bloody paroxysm of rage. > > I hope that you will not find the DESTRUCTIVE arguments you seek here. Um, excuse me, number one, I’ve been told there are supposed to be no personal attacks. Secondly, “my kind” is people who DON’T hate and who everyone want to live in peace. There’s no peace in the middle east because a bunch of neo-con warmongers decided they’d displace a bunch of Muslims. I am wondering how we can fix that historical error. I am looking for solutions, but you obviously have none. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/35 "2010-08-31T12:11:32Z")
> [@The\_Facts](#): > > I am looking for solutions, but you obviously have none. No, you are looking for “The Final Solution”. By this time, we all know what that means, and I doubt very much you are going to find it here. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/36 "2010-08-31T12:18:17Z")
> [@The Facts](#): > > It’s time to end the Isreal experiment: it didn’t work. Do you know who else did experiments on Jewish people? Hint: He also talked about “the final solution to the Jewish problem”. :rolleyes: Israel is not an experiment; it is a country. The only one with a UN mandate saying that it has a right to exist, where it is. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![footballisplayedwithyourfeet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9f8e36/32.png) [@footballisplayedwithyourfeet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/footballisplayedwithyourfeet)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/37 "2010-08-31T12:22:57Z")
However distastefull his wording (final solution :(!), the current situation isn’t exactly peachy. I have no idea what is meant by ‘stopping this experiment’ but we do have a situation where two groups of people want the same land - and in my opinion both claims have some merit - and are killing each other. I for one don’t see an easy solution given that both feel very strongly about the exact same piece of land; is there a viable two or three state solution that both sets of people will agree to? I don’t know, but it would be awesome if we could find one. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Facts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@The\_Facts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Facts)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/38 "2010-08-31T12:33:45Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > > [@The Facts](#): > > > > It’s time to end the Isreal experiment: it didn’t work. > > Do you know who else did experiments on Jewish people? > > Hint: He also talked about “the final solution to the Jewish problem”. > > :rolleyes: > > Israel is not an experiment; it is a country. The only one with a UN mandate saying that it has a right to exist, where it is. > > Regards, > Shodan And I’m saying that while hitler’s methods were wrong, he was responding to a real problem. And the UN was wrong. You don’t think the UN can make a mistake? How many Arabs nations voted for Israel? Doesn’t that tell you something? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/39 "2010-08-31T12:34:17Z")
> [@footballisplayedwithyourfeet](#): > > However distastefull his wording (final solution :(!), the current situation isn’t exactly peachy. I have no idea what is meant by ‘stopping this experiment’ but we do have a situation where two groups of people want the same land - and in my opinion both claims have some merit - and are killing each other. > > I for one don’t see an easy solution given that both feel very strongly about the exact same piece of land; is there a viable two or three state solution that both sets of people will agree to? I don’t know, but it would be awesome if we could find one. His wording is beyond distasteful, and one of his “solutions” is an insult(Siberia??). If this conversation must continue, it might be best to start over with a stronger and less insulting OP, because I think this one has pretty much poisoned the well. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/40 "2010-08-31T12:46:22Z")
> [@The\_Facts](#): > > And I’m saying that while hitler’s methods were wrong, he was responding to a real problem. Which was what, exactly? > [@](#): > > And the UN was wrong. You don’t think the UN can make a mistake? How many Arabs nations voted for Israel? Doesn’t that tell you something? And how many Arab nations have attempted a military solution and failed? Looks to me like they want to complain but lack the will and military competence to do anything about the situation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095.md?page=3)