# So what is the "final solution"? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 31, 2010, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095 "2010-08-31T04:11:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/101 "2010-09-01T07:38:13Z")
Lёmџr bїtεs cän bê very nâstì, Ýõû ķňŏŵ! ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/102 "2010-09-01T13:51:11Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > > [@villa](#): > > > > Sending you and your ilk to Madagascar would be a start. You seem to be the one with the problem here. > > Not cool, man. What did the lemurs ever do to you? Hey - I didn’t come up with the idea first. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/103 "2010-09-02T02:33:41Z")
> [@chacoguy](#): > > > [@The\_Facts](#): > > > > what do you do with an ethnic group that does not fit in but does not have a homeland? > > Good point; what should we do with the rednecks? Siberia! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/104 "2010-09-02T03:07:29Z")
The final solution is for Israel to hold on for as long as it takes for the Arab world to leave the fourteenth century- up to and including forever. The status quo is still a better deal for Israelis than any of the alternatives offered. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/105 "2010-09-02T15:29:46Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > > [@The\_Facts](#): > > > > I am looking for ideas. What is a better solution to the problem of the Jews? > > _The problem of the Jews?_ Holy shit, dude. You know, before WWII, the phrase “the Jewish Problem” was often used by **Jewish** writers in Europe, especially Zionist writers. But they meant the problems **of** Jews, living in gentile-majority societies that despised them. Then the Nazis started talking about “the Jewish Problem,” which they meant the Jews’ existence. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/106 "2010-09-02T15:31:30Z")
Is it just me, or does the OP of this wonderful thread seem strangely absent? -XT ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/107 "2010-09-02T15:32:19Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > 1. Jews love Israel because it’s our homeland since pretty much prehistory. Bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/108 "2010-09-02T15:34:24Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Is it just me, or does the OP of this wonderful thread seem strangely absent? > > -XT Clicked back to the top in hopes of seeing a nice, fat “BANNED” under his name, but no such luck. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/109 "2010-09-02T15:49:11Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > 1. Jews love Israel because it’s our homeland since pretty much prehistory. > > Bullshit. Well, okay, since Moses then. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/110 "2010-09-02T16:11:58Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Is it just me, or does the OP of this wonderful thread seem strangely absent? > > -XT As long as we’re doing “Is it just me…”: Is it just me, or does anyone else have the phrase “How do you solve a problem like Judaism” bouncing through their heads to the tune of “How do you solve a problem like Maria”? ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/111 "2010-09-02T16:24:54Z")
I have an idea, lets do a world lottery, every person in the world is randomly assigned to a part of the globe…I am very serious about this…must go work on my manifesto. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/112 "2010-09-02T16:51:00Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > > Bullshit. > > Well, okay, since Moses then. Oh, longer than that, I’m sure. But the idea that the Jews have any hereditary claim, or even connection, to their ancestral homeland is bullshit. My ancestors came from Switzerland, but it’s just one more foreign country to me. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/113 "2010-09-02T19:17:30Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > > > Well, okay, since Moses then. > > Oh, longer than that, I’m sure. But the idea that the Jews have any hereditary claim, or even connection, to their ancestral homeland is bullshit. My ancestors came from Switzerland, but it’s just one more foreign country to me. Just because you feel no connection to Switzerland, does not mean other folks _must_ feel no connection to other places. Imputing your own feelings onto others as if they were a universal norm is “bullshit”. It’s a matter of emotion. I do not think being Jewish gives any “rights” to anything, and a Jew in Boston has no more “rights’ to Israel than an American of Irish descent has to Ireland. But if that Irish-American claims to feel a special connection with the green rolling hills of Ireland, stoked by Irish folk-music and the stories of Finn MacCool or whatever, even though his family came over as indentured servants in 1700, I am in no position to call 'bullshit”. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/114 "2010-09-02T19:45:48Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > At the risk of taking the OP seriously: If the problem is that two groups of people are trying to claim the same chunk of real estate, is there any reason that we couldn’t solve the problem by offering the Palestinians a homeland in Siberia? I asked one of my colleagues in Yemen one day when he was blathering on about Palestinians and how unfairly treated they were by Israel, “Well, why don’t you let the Palestinians move to Yemen?” His response, “We don’t want _THEM_ here.” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/115 "2010-09-02T22:44:44Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > > > Well, okay, since Moses then. > > Oh, longer than that, I’m sure. But the idea that the Jews have any hereditary claim, or even connection, to their ancestral homeland is bullshit. My ancestors came from Switzerland, but it’s just one more foreign country to me. Great for you. But I know many many American Jews who feel strongly connected to Israel and do things like buy Israeli products, advocate for Israel, or go serve in the Israeli army. I guess they’re lying to themselves… ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/116 "2010-09-02T23:26:14Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > > Oh, longer than that, I’m sure. But the idea that the Jews have any hereditary claim, or even connection, to their ancestral homeland is bullshit. My ancestors came from Switzerland, but it’s just one more foreign country to me. > > Great for you. But I know many many American Jews who feel strongly connected to Israel and do things like buy Israeli products, advocate for Israel, or go serve in the Israeli army. > > I guess they’re lying to themselves… Yup. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/117 "2010-09-02T23:57:05Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > > > Well, okay, since Moses then. > > Oh, longer than that, I’m sure. But the idea that the Jews have any hereditary claim, or even connection, to their ancestral homeland is bullshit. My ancestors came from Switzerland, but it’s just one more foreign country to me. Have you lived in the US long enough to regard you country as your homeland ? And keep in mind that a considerable number of Jews have always remained in what was and what is now Israel. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/118 "2010-09-03T08:42:32Z")
Enough Jews felt a connection to Israel in the first half of the 20th Century to come here and found a country. What more proof does one need? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/119 "2010-09-03T10:20:26Z")
You know what? I’m usually the last person to seriously call someone a troll. I’ll call people that in this forum, but usually I’m exaggerating (or, in some cases, they’ve admitted to such.) But I just did a quick look over all the threads that this guy has started, and it really does seem like this guy is a troll. I’m going to try putting this guy on my ignore list, and see if I miss out on anything. And, yes, the reason I’m saying this is not only because I can, but also because I believe it moral that I should give him a chance to change. That’s always why I do it. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095/120 "2010-09-03T12:49:47Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > You know, before WWII, the phrase “the Jewish Problem” was often used by **Jewish** writers in Europe, especially Zionist writers. And before WWII the swastika was a benevolent symbol used by many cultures, including native Americans. But I suspect that if our beloved OP is sporting swastikas, they have a different meaning. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-final-solution/552095.md?page=7)