# So what is the womens' march supposed to accomplish? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 22, 2017, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822 "2017-01-22T13:26:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822/121 "2017-01-23T14:36:53Z")
IT’s not a failure yet. It will be a failure if it doesn’t translate to anything in 2018. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822/122 "2017-01-23T14:46:17Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > Actually, he - and the rest of the world - now know that _three times_ as many people came to protest against him as came to see him be inaugurated. Not just liberal women, either. Does he know that? I’m genuinely wondering if he believes it when he says that he had more people at his inauguration. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822/123 "2017-01-23T14:56:25Z")
It doesn’t matter what Trump thinks and the March helps make that clear. As he spirals off into another nutty twitter storm or raves like a madman about the crowd at his Inauguration, it’s clear he doesn’t matter. What matters is we elected this loon and we need to do something about that. As **galen ubal** pointed out, the March communicated to elected officials at the national and local levels that a sleeping giantess has been woken and they ignore her at their peril. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822/124 "2017-01-23T15:33:15Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Does he know that? I’m genuinely wondering if he believes it when he says that he had more people at his inauguration. That is a fascinating question, not just on this topic but generally applied to all of Trump’s innumerable lies. At what point does the liar convince himself? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822/125 "2017-01-23T15:44:31Z")
I think Trump believes his lies. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822/126 "2017-01-23T15:52:00Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I think Trump believes his lies. We’ve had this discussion before, and it seemed like the consensus was that “lie” / “liar” isn’t the right term if someone sincerely believes something that’s a mistake-of-fact. Is Trump and exception to that rule? ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822/127 "2017-01-23T15:59:50Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Which is why the march can’t claim to represent women as a whole, but only a particular subset of women, ie liberal women, or in other words, 25% of the population. The march also represents men who believe in women’s rights. And to answer the OP, it has accomplished something - it made many liberals feel more hopeful and empowered. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822/128 "2017-01-23T16:01:54Z")
> [@](#): > > We’ve had this discussion before, and it seemed like the consensus was that “lie” / “liar” isn’t the right term if someone sincerely believes something that’s a mistake-of-fact. Is Trump and exception to that rule? The “consensus”? Really, that was the “consensus”? Oh, wait, the trapdoor bailout is installed, it “seemed” like a “consensus”. It “seemed” so to you, then? In which case, promising to release tax returns after the election, that wasn’t a lie, that was simply a mistake of fact! Imagine his surprise when he found out that he didn’t! He was going to, he promised he would, but when the day arrived, he found out that he didn’t! Well, son-of-a=gun! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822/129 "2017-01-23T16:03:00Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I think Trump believes his lies. They’re not lies. They’re “alternative facts”. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822/130 "2017-01-23T16:05:18Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > We’ve had this discussion before, and it seemed like the consensus was that “lie” / “liar” isn’t the right term if someone sincerely believes something that’s a mistake-of-fact. Is Trump and exception to that rule? It’s a bit like murder. Someone who points a gun at you and shoots you dead has murdered you. Trump’s not the liar’s equivalent of a murderer. Someone that drives a new car off the lot that, unbenownst to them, has faulty brakes, and fails to break at the stoplight and runs into you and kills you has not murdered you. Trump’s not the liar’s equivalent of that driver, either. Someone that drops rocks off bridges with no regard for whether they hit cars going below? That’s how Trump treats the truth: he has so little concern for whether he’s pseaking truthfully that he’s neither innocent nor guilty. Our rock-dropper gets charged at least with reckless endangerment. If someone’s killed, they get charged with depraved indifference murder. Trump? He’s a depraved indifference liar. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822/131 "2017-01-23T16:12:00Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > We’ve had this discussion before, and it seemed like the consensus was that “lie” / “liar” isn’t the right term if someone sincerely believes something that’s a mistake-of-fact. Is Trump and exception to that rule? Trump is a liar. I’ll give him a mistake or two in any speech. Mistakes happen, but when he sends the dogs out to argue that his inauguration crowd was really _uuuuuge_, more _bigly_ than Obama’s, knowing full well he’s wrong, he’s perpetuating a lie. That’s just one example of how his ego will doom him. But, if you prefer, we’ll call it a pathological dishonesty instead of lying. I will not be able to trust anything coming from the White house, until it’s fact checked, from this point on. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822/132 "2017-01-23T16:15:48Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I will not be able to trust anything coming from the White house, until it’s fact checked, from this point on. Fair enough. Most conservatives felt that way for the last eight years too. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822/133 "2017-01-23T16:20:05Z")
Equivalence! Yeah, _that’s_ the ticket! Obama lied by the teaspoon, Trump lies by the boxcar load, but they are, really, both the same! ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822/134 "2017-01-23T16:29:15Z")
When the Obama administration said something, we often needed outside analysis (Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, etc.) to explain why it was a lie. Trump’s lies are immediately obvious to everyone. He really is a populist! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822/135 "2017-01-23T16:30:26Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Fair enough. Most conservatives felt that way for the last eight years too. I don’t give a rattly fart how they _felt_. Obama said some things that turned out not to be true, sure, he’s no paragon of honesty. But comparing his dishonesty to Trump’s is like comparing Jon Stewart’s rage to the Incredible Hulk’s. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822/136 "2017-01-23T16:31:24Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I don’t give a rattly fart how they _felt_. Obama said some things that turned out not to be true, sure, he’s no paragon of honesty. But comparing his dishonesty to Trump’s is like comparing Jon Stewart’s rage to the Incredible Hulk’s. I think some of you read my post as “Obama lied as much as Trump”. That’s not something I said or implied. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822/137 "2017-01-23T16:35:32Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I think some of you read my post as “Obama lied as much as Trump”. That’s not something I said or implied. You said they felt the same way. I’m just pointing out that their feelings had no rational basis, whereas ours do. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822/138 "2017-01-23T16:40:52Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You said they felt the same way. I’m just pointing out that their feelings had no rational basis, whereas ours do. You agreed that “Obama said some things that turned out not to be true, sure, he’s no paragon of honesty.” Because of those “lies” / inaccurate statements, some conservatives felt like they could not “trust anything coming from the White house, until it’s fact checked”. How is that NOT a feeling with a rational basis? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822/139 "2017-01-23T16:42:48Z")
\*\*So what is the womens’ march supposed to accomplish? \*\*Demonstrate to Trump what a large crowd looks like? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822/140 "2017-01-23T16:48:06Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Trump is a liar. I’ll give him a mistake or two in any speech. Mistakes happen, but when he sends the dogs out to argue that his inauguration crowd was really _uuuuuge_, more _bigly_ than Obama’s, knowing full well he’s wrong, he’s perpetuating a lie. That’s just one example of how his ego will doom him. > > But, if you prefer, we’ll call it a pathological dishonesty instead of lying. > > I will not be able to trust anything coming from the White house, until it’s fact checked, from this point on. It really comes down to the fact that administration seem to not believe that there is such a thing as the truth. To them the statement “the Trumps crowds were bigger than Obama’s” has the same degree of truth or falsehood as the statement “Chocolate tastes better than Vanilla”. Some people say one thing some people say something else. The problem with fact checking this administration is that this belief may not just be confined to the white house press office. If it metastasizes into the rest of his agencies, such as the EPA, the department of labor statistics, the census, then there may not be any unbiased ruler with which to fact check against. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-is-the-womens-march-supposed-to-accomplish/777822.md?page=8)