# So, what should Jordan do with its jihadist prisoners now? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [February 3, 2015, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744 "2015-02-03T19:00:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744/1 "2015-02-03T19:00:29Z")
For those of you who hadn’t been paying attention, ISIS had captured a Jordanian pilot and was trying to organize a prisoner swap. Breaking news now, a video has surfaced showing them setting the guy on fire ☹ Jordan is now readying its jihadist prisoners for execution, perhaps immediately. Anyone want to offer suggestions? I say take the woman (who is a failed suicide bomber) rig her up with a suicide vest, and use her to blow up the rest of them. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744/2 "2015-02-03T19:14:49Z")
It would be great if they could get that woman to say ISIS is fucked up, and she doesn’t want to be returned to them. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744/3 "2015-02-03T19:18:31Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > It would be great if they could get that woman to say ISIS is fucked up, and she doesn’t want to be returned to them. and then put a suicide vest on her and send her back to ISIS and blow them all up ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744/4 "2015-02-03T20:08:22Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > I say take the woman (who is a failed suicide bomber) rig her up with a suicide vest, and use her to blow up the rest of them. [Hedley Lamarr]_Kinky!_ [/Hedley Lamarr] ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744/5 "2015-02-03T20:19:11Z")
Infect her with some very nasty fatal contagious disease and send her back to them. Inject her with some traceable RF device and send a drone to their headquarters. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744/6 "2015-02-03T21:17:02Z")
This is going to be a short conversation. She will be executed Wednesday morning. It is now 11:15 pm in Jordan, so she has about 8 hours or so left to live. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744/7 "2015-02-03T21:33:58Z")
I’d like to see these fellows in a poker game. I don’t suppose they play chess. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744/8 "2015-02-03T22:34:47Z")
They should adhere to the more enlightened standards of human rights, which involves not holding one person responsible for the unrelated actions of others. But the also should open up their society to equal rights for women. (Yeah, I know, they’re a hell of a lot better than Saudi Arabia or Iran.) ---
**Author:** ![stui\_magpie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stui_magpie/32/11010_2.png) [@stui\_magpie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stui_magpie)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744/9 "2015-02-03T22:36:49Z")
I wouldn’t martyr her. Some of these clowns seem quite happy at the prospect of dying for their beliefs, I wonder how happy they would be at the prospect of living for them behind bars for the next 40 years. No paradise for you. ---
**Author:** ![buddy431](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6a8cbe/32.png) [@buddy431](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddy431)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744/10 "2015-02-03T22:39:48Z")
These treads are always disgusting. The answer to horrific acts of cruelty is… other horrific acts of cruelty? Do we really want to be in a situation where the best we can say about our conduct is that the other guy does it too? Especially when the other guy is one of the most barbaric groups of people in recent history? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744/11 "2015-02-03T22:47:35Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > They should adhere to the more enlightened standards of human rights, which involves not holding one person responsible for the unrelated actions of others. Indeed, I considered “give her a fair trial and show that the Jordanians are part of the Good Guys”, but these IS assholes would just giggle and check their list of who to kidnap next. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744/12 "2015-02-03T23:27:10Z")
The extremely painful way this pilot was killed makes me wonder if similar military personnel - Western or Arab or whatever - facing imminent capture by ISIS terrorists will try to commit suicide (i.e., shooting themselves in the head) rather than be taken alive. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2015, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744/13 "2015-02-04T00:20:53Z")
Jordan has a number of persons who have already been convicted in Jordanian courts of crimes that carry the death penalty in Jordan. I’m not sure what the appeals process is in Jordan, but likely if it’s anything like Saudi Arabia the only reason any of them were alive is just because the King hadn’t formally ordered their execution yet. At least in Saudi (which I’m more familiar with from the news), they’ll let condemned persons linger on for years and then often the King will commute the sentence to something else as a show of leniency. It’s usually complicated and political if/when that happens. I imagine in this case the King is just deciding the waiting is over, so I don’t know that at least under Jordanian law anything that’s being done is wrong. Under international law, these people would not be considered POWs, they’re convicted criminals. I hope that they’re all guilty and were found guilty in a pseudo-legitimate court, but I don’t know much about the Jordanian legal system. The woman we know for a fact is someone who aided and abetted in mass murder and wanted to participate in it herself, so she at least I’m fine with her being executed. Assuming similar levels of proof for the other condemned prisoners, I’m fine with them being executed. I know in an absolute monarchy it might seem silly, but I think it’s important Jordan not just execute people it has custody of but who haven’t been convicted of crimes–and I do not _think_ that is what they are doing. My understanding is everyone they are planning to execute tomorrow had been condemned to death and were essentially awaiting execution anyway. I suspect some like the female suicide bomber, had not been executed yet simply because of a political hesitance to execute a woman in Jordan, which was removed after ISIS used her in a hostage negotiation in which one of the persons they were promising to spare (but not release) had they released her had in fact been _burnt to death_ a month ago. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2015, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744/14 "2015-02-04T00:33:27Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Infect her with some very nasty fatal contagious disease and send her back to them. You mean like Measles? Sorry. Evidently, they’re the horrific monsters who vaccinate their kids… ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2015, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744/15 "2015-02-04T02:12:37Z")
Well, for proper expressions of Recreational Outrage a thread should be started in the Pit. Otherwise, IMHO, Jordan should follow the law and, ideally, International standards for the humane treatment of prisoners. Try their prisoners, convict (or not spending on the evidence and the law), and then carry out appropriate sentences. Descending to the level of ISIS gains us nothing. On the other hand, start a Pit thread, and I will gladly rant about their pox-infected, cactus-fucking, ass-hattery, because who the hell burns people to death. WTF. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2015, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744/16 "2015-02-04T03:39:09Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > The extremely painful way this pilot was killed makes me wonder if similar military personnel - Western or Arab or whatever - facing imminent capture by ISIS terrorists will try to commit suicide (i.e., shooting themselves in the head) rather than be taken alive. [Well, that’s what Kipling recommended…](http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/young_british_soldier.html) But that’s the whole point of terrorism, and why we have to unite in opposing it. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2015, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744/17 "2015-02-04T03:40:23Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > You mean like Measles? > > Sorry. Evidently, they’re the horrific monsters who vaccinate their kids… Well, a bit less, since the assassination of Osama Bin Laden became associated in their minds with vaccination teams. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2015, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744/18 "2015-02-04T04:28:06Z")
[Jordan executes two Iraqi militants in response to pilot’s death](http://news.yahoo.com/jordan-executes-two-iraqi-militants-response-pilots-death-033203764.html) ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2015, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744/19 "2015-02-04T04:33:57Z")
Well this whole affair has apparently shaken the kings power base some. I assume local politics, rather legal niceties or international image, will inform his next move. Something brutal I imagine but maybe not a bunch of executions. Maybe firebomb an ISIS leader’s hometown or something. ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2015, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744/20 "2015-02-04T07:36:26Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Well this whole affair has apparently shaken the kings power base some. I don’t think that’s true at all. Quite the opposite: The entire ordeal has united the Jordanians in a firmly pro-Abdullah, pro-coalition, anti-ISIS and anti-Al-Qaeda stance. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-should-jordan-do-with-its-jihadist-prisoners-now/711744.md?page=2)