# So when is Palin giving back all the clothes? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 6, 2008, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457 "2008-11-06T15:45:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/361 "2008-11-12T02:13:03Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > The RNC person has to know what’s hers and what isn’t. Do you want some guy going through your underwear drawer and sorting them? If they’re not my clothes, I don’t care. To get them INTO my underwear drawer, they need to be washed or dry cleaned and then put away in my drawer. It would have been more sensible and practical to send the to the cleaners and have an RNC person pick them up. I don’t care about her undies–I’m referring to her suits. Please god, let her keep the underwear. > [@](#): > > Are you certain? Yes, re Obama–he has 6 suits, as I linked to earlier. Michelle O. has been quite open about where she shops and why (online, convenience and affordability). She will now step into designer stuff and more power to her–she should support American designers in her new role. > [@](#): > > I don’t see that she didn’t handle it openly. She hasn’t handled anything! How she has 5 kids, I’ll never know. Organization is not her strong suit–and she’s not cooking and cleaning etc on the campaign trail. If she didn’t have time to look into which clothes her kids were wearing etc, surely an aide did. Delegation would be key here. We’re not going to agree on this. But I don’t understand the need to put her above reproach. She has not been an innocent victim in this–none of these decisions (size, color, fit, packing, putting in closets etc) could have been made without her input at some point. Surely she can recognize new clothes vs clothes she already owned. Overarching all of this is the “gift” status of these clothes–that’s a big no-no, according her running mate’s legislation. Until we hear about an auction or donation of the clothes to a charity, these are gifts. I hope the IRS haunts her from here on out. They probably won’t, but once on the make, likely to always be on the make(or do I mean take–actually both). ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/362 "2008-11-12T02:18:10Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > She hasn’t handled anything! How she has 5 kids, I’ll never know. Organization is not her strong suit–and she’s not cooking and cleaning etc on the campaign trail. If she didn’t have time to look into which clothes her kids were wearing etc, surely an aide did. Delegation would be key here. Again that was McCain’s failure, not hers. > [@](#): > > We’re not going to agree on this. But I don’t understand the need to put her above reproach. She has not been an innocent victim in this–none of these decisions (size, color, fit, packing, putting in closets etc) could have been made without her input at some point. Surely she can recognize new clothes vs clothes she already owned. Overarching all of this is the “gift” status of these clothes–that’s a big no-no, according her running mate’s legislation. Until we hear about an auction or donation of the clothes to a charity, these are gifts. I hope the IRS haunts her from here on out. They probably won’t, but once on the make, likely to always be on the make(or do I mean take–actually both). No one is talking about putting her above reproach. I am saying give her some time to get her affairs in order before you start lighting the torches. Apparently by the standards here in Obamanation, that’s too much to ask. You just hate Sarah Palin as is clear from the way you phrase things. You think that not having her ducks in a row regarding her clothes 7 days after the election is evidence of…well…anything. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/363 "2008-11-12T02:19:02Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Obama didn’t charge the campaign any money for clothes–and I doubt McCain did, either. > > Are you certain? Well your next link says that the Obama’s didn’t charge any clothes to their campaign. Try again? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/364 "2008-11-12T02:21:50Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > Well your next link says that the Obama’s didn’t charge any clothes to their campaign. Try again? Yes, I posted and then did some more research. See how that works? It talked about how the Obama’s got their clothes for free. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/365 "2008-11-12T02:26:39Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > No one is talking about putting her above reproach. I am saying give her some time to get her affairs in order before you start lighting the torches. Apparently by the standards here in Obamanation, that’s too much to ask. You just hate Sarah Palin as is clear from the way you phrase things. You think that not having her ducks in a row regarding her clothes 7 days after the election is evidence of…well…anything. I know we’re never going to agree (probably about anything…unless you also love dark chocolate, much better than milk chocolate and don’t even get me started on the abomination that is white chocolate, but I digress) but I’m pretty certain I would notice which clothes were mine and which were worth more than my salary. I doubt it would take me seven days to tell the difference between my usual clothes and a suit from Neiman Marcus. I may not actually have them returned yet if I had her schedule, but they would certainly be ready to go. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/366 "2008-11-12T02:26:56Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Yes, I posted and then did some more research. See how that works? It talked about how the Obama’s got their clothes for free. Yes I actually know how research works. If you would be so kind as to show me where in that article it states that the Obama’s got their clothes for free I would sincerely appreciate it. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/367 "2008-11-12T02:29:40Z")
> [@Antinor01](#): > > I know we’re never going to agree (probably about anything…unless you also love dark chocolate, much better than milk chocolate and don’t even get me started on the abomination that is white chocolate, but I digress) but I’m pretty certain I would notice which clothes were mine and which were worth more than my salary. I doubt it would take me seven days to tell the difference between my usual clothes and a suit from Neiman Marcus. I may not actually have them returned yet if I had her schedule, but they would certainly be ready to go. Do you also have to be Governor and do multiple interviews every day? I mean seriously. You’re acting like this should have been the highest priority for her as soon as the campaign was over. So maybe it wasn’t? So what? ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/368 "2008-11-12T02:29:56Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Yes, I posted and then did some more research. See how that works? It talked about how the Obama’s got their clothes for free. I must have missed a cite you posted. The only one I saw had one mention of Obama where it says they didn’t charge anything to the campaign for clothes. A little help please? ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/369 "2008-11-12T02:30:58Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Do you also have to be Governor and do multiple interviews every day? I mean seriously. You’re acting like this should have been the highest priority for her as soon as the campaign was over. So maybe it wasn’t? So what? I would have been keeping them separate all along, but that’s just me. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/370 "2008-11-12T02:33:09Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > Yes I actually know how research works. If you would be so kind as to show me where in that article it states that the Obama’s got their clothes for free I would sincerely appreciate it. Sorry you’re right, it was Hillary Clinton it said got her clothes for free. Bottom line this all happened because McCain was hasty and Sarah Palin was thrust into it. So they set her up with a stylist, and they overspent. If they had prepared in any reasonable way at all, those vendor relationships could have been locked down and none of this would be occurring right now. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/371 "2008-11-12T02:56:40Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Sorry you’re right, it was Hillary Clinton it said got her clothes for free. > > Bottom line this all happened because McCain was hasty and Sarah Palin was thrust into it. So they set her up with a stylist, and they overspent. If they had prepared in any reasonable way at all, those vendor relationships could have been locked down and none of this would be occurring right now. So now she’s just a victim of circumstances? Feel free to justify it to yourself all you want. I just can’t get my mind around McCain’s campaign deciding that an infant _needed_ a $98 dollar outfit, Todd _needed_ silk boxers (plus 20-40k in suits for 50 days), Piper needed a Luis Vitton bag and Gucci shoes, and the baby Daddy needed to be on stage _and_ have a new suit provided by the RNC. I could very well be wrong and this was what the McCain campaign decided. If so, thank Og he didn’t get elected. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/372 "2008-11-12T02:59:25Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Do you also have to be Governor and do multiple interviews every day? I mean seriously. You’re acting like this should have been the highest priority for her as soon as the campaign was over. So maybe it wasn’t? So what? So maybe she’s getting a shitload of bad press for something she’s innocent over. But that bespeaks a lack of organization, since even a few hours of organized work by an aide or two would have warded off all of that bad press very easily. The longer she takes to sort and box some articles of clothing, with her reputation getting trashed as long as she delays, the more it looks like McCain wasn’t the only disorganized impulsive ditzy maverick on the ticket. Shoot yourself, blame the press, reload, shoot yourself again? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/373 "2008-11-12T03:07:27Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Do you also have to be Governor and do multiple interviews every day? I mean seriously. You’re acting like this should have been the highest priority for her as soon as the campaign was over. So maybe it wasn’t? So what? She doesn’t “have to” do multiple interviews every day. She chooses to do multiple interviews because she wants to be a big shot politician. She also could have been organized during the campaign and not mixed in the RNC clothes with her own clothes, so that they could easily be dealt with after the election. The campaign could also have assigned a staffer to set up the details of the auction, which wasn’t done, and don’t tell me that there’s nobody on either of their staffs who can’t manage to set up an event, or at least book a fucking room. These two made exactly one campaign promise that they would be expected to fulfill regardless of whether or not they won the election. Thus far, the only effort made to fulfill it was Palin spending a saturday afternoon sorting her wardrobe with her father. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/374 "2008-11-12T03:10:46Z")
If Obama had done anything remotely approaching this, House Republicans would already be calling for his impeachment. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/375 "2008-11-12T03:12:49Z")
> [@Frostillicus](#): > > If Obama had done anything remotely approaching this, House Republicans would already be calling for his impeachment. Yeah, just like you’re doing with Sarah Palin. I still put the blame with the McCain campaign. Sarah Palin was not the cause of this mess. John McCain was. The point of this is you are acting like Sarah Palin had control over the campaign and how it managed its finances. Palin may have been profligate, but somehow I doubt she went on this shopping spree all by her lonesome. If Hillary Clinton’s pantsuits were about 7k a piece her wardrobe was worth 6 figures too. The point is that you usually don’t see the expenditure because it’s being given as ‘gifts’ by the designers. A loophole in that law that you all are so in love with. It’s ok for Diane von Furstenberg to give Hillary Clinton thousands of dollars in clothes, but not ok for the RNC to purchase them for Sarah Palin. Something tells me that when Palin was in Nieman Marcus the stylist wasn’t exactly saying, “And this costs X.” But then, like everyone in this thread, I am merely speculating. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/376 "2008-11-12T03:19:34Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > These two made exactly one campaign promise that they would be expected to fulfill regardless of whether or not they won the election. Thus far, the only effort made to fulfill it was Palin spending a saturday afternoon sorting her wardrobe with her father. So she sorted through the clothes. Isn’t that what you want her to do? You’re all working on this big assumption that when she gets back from Miami nothing will be done about this. You do realize that she is in Miami right? Miami. Again…Miami. Is that so hard to comprehend that she is busy at a Governor’s conference? You’re mad at her for multitasking instead of single mindedly focusing on the thing you care the most about. It’s simply immature entitlement. ‘Sarah Palin should do this exactly how I want her to NOW!’ _stamps foot_ ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/377 "2008-11-12T03:24:20Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > So she sorted through the clothes. Isn’t that what you want her to do? > > You’re all working on this big assumption that when she gets back from Miami nothing will be done about this. You do realize that she is in Miami right? Miami. Again…Miami. Is that so hard to comprehend that she is busy at a Governor’s conference? > > You’re mad at her for multitasking instead of single mindedly focusing on the thing you care the most about. It’s simply immature entitlement. ‘Sarah Palin should do this exactly how I want her to NOW!’ _stamps foot_ Well, I don’t know that she’s done anything. I know she SAYS she sorted clothes, but I’ll know when she’s sent the clothes back, because there will be people on the other end saying “Yep, we got 'em, all of them. Case closed.” That hasn’t happened. The hard part to comprehend is why she prefers answering questions about the missing clothing to sending it back. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/378 "2008-11-12T03:26:52Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > Well, I don’t know that she’s done anything. I know she SAYS she sorted clothes, but I’ll know when she’s sent the clothes back, because there will be people on the other end saying “Yep, we got 'em, all of them. Case closed.” That hasn’t happened. > > The hard part to comprehend is why she prefers answering questions about the missing clothing to sending it back. I think she’s been very busy. If in three weeks it still isn’t resolved, then maybe I’ll come around to some sympathy for the other point of view. Yes, she clearly want to be in the media spotlight. She needs to own the press in order to stay in the camera’s eye. And to those saying this shows she’s not a ‘woman of the people’, that’s absurd. It is precisely a main street woman of the people thing to do to get a gleam in your eye and binge on shopping at Saks and Neiman Marcus. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/379 "2008-11-12T03:30:16Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > And to those saying this shows she’s not a ‘woman of the people’, that’s absurd. It is precisely a main street woman of the people thing to do to get a gleam in your eye and binge on shopping at Saks and Neiman Marcus. Heh. Ok so we do agree about something. ---
**Author:** ![gravitycrash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@gravitycrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gravitycrash)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/380 "2008-11-12T03:30:20Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > So she sorted through the clothes. Isn’t that what you want her to do? > > You’re all working on this big assumption that when she gets back from Miami nothing will be done about this. You do realize that she is in Miami right? Miami. Again…Miami. Is that so hard to comprehend that she is busy at a Governor’s conference? > > You’re mad at her for multitasking instead of single mindedly focusing on the thing you care the most about. It’s simply immature entitlement. ‘Sarah Palin should do this exactly how I want her to NOW!’ _stamps foot_ No shit. The Dems are whining about 150.000$ We are talking about a TRILLION people. I understand that Bush has pissed off a lot of people but can we try to focus a little. You won. Get over it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457.md?page=20)