# So when is Palin giving back all the clothes? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 6, 2008, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457 "2008-11-06T15:45:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swallowed_My_Cellphone)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/481 "2008-12-02T21:52:47Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Does the jacket have turkey blood on it? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/482 "2008-12-02T22:48:13Z")
> [@Peanut\_Gallery](#): > > I’m still waiting for the announcement that Bristol and Fucking Redneck aren’t tying the knot after all. They _were_ supposed to get married right before the election, then it quietly got pushed back to “sometime next year.” **If** they get married, I’m betting it’ll be within a month or two after Bristol drops the kid and she’s had time to work off the baby fat. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/483 "2008-12-03T04:13:15Z")
I hope they don’t marry. At least, I hope they don’t marry under pressure. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/484 "2008-12-03T04:50:28Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > Huh, since Election Day Obama’s managed to get most of his Cabinet appointed and vetted, expects to be done by the end of December, has Congress getting a shit ton of legislation ready to sign as soon as his hand comes off the Bible on Inauguration Day, has been having regular press conferences and weekly video addresses to the nation and still manages to work out every day, but Sarah hasn’t managed to get through her closet to figure out what needs to be sent back to the Republicans–in spite of the fact she also hasn’t been back to the State Capitol since August. Probably a good thing the election went the way it did or things would be all at sixes and sevens in Washington, don’tcha think? Also? You betcha! Also. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/485 "2008-12-03T05:26:51Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > Your impression of her would improve by letting out a few random alsos. Also. Also, I don’t think my impression of her would improve no matter what I did. Or what she does either. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![gravitycrash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@gravitycrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gravitycrash)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/486 "2008-12-03T06:04:32Z")
If we can’t even agree on this little issue then what is there to talk about? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/487 "2008-12-03T06:51:14Z")
> [@gravitycrash](#): > > If we can’t even agree on this little issue then what is there to talk about? Eh, you’re right. I’ll ask a mod to shut down the entire forum. ---
**Author:** ![kitemaker\_chuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a88e4f/32.png) [@kitemaker\_chuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kitemaker_chuck)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/488 "2008-12-03T07:30:35Z")
Palin should give all of it back immediately–at least then she’d have clothes-ure!! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/489 "2008-12-03T07:32:24Z")
> [@kitemaker\_chuck](#): > > Palin should give all of it back immediately–at least then she’d have clothes-ure!! This pun may need it’s own pitting. I think I sprained something just reading it. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/490 "2008-12-03T15:11:06Z")
> [@gravitycrash](#): > > If we can’t even agree on this little issue then what is there to talk about? We can only talk when we all agree on everything? I’ve seen monastic vows with more lenient rules than that. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/491 "2008-12-03T15:37:14Z")
I personally don’t care whether she ever gives the clothes back. The clothes were a legitimate campaign expense. They were paid for out of RNC dollars. Was it too much money to spend on clothes? In my opinion, yes, but my opinion doesn’t count. I’m not part of the RNC and none of my money went to buy her clothes. Should she give it back? My opinion is no because you don’t give back radio ads or port-a-potty rentals or staffer salaries or any of the literally millions of things bought/rented in the campaign whose money falls into the ether never to return. The RNC can demand she does and, again, it’s really not any of my concern. I’d like to think that I don’t care about this issue because there’s just so many other things to get worked up about. But it’s really that this issue doesn’t affect me in the slightest and I see no real reason to force her to do anything. It’s like when every newspaper in the country was getting bent out of shape about the rising costs of the movie Titanic. It’s over $200 million in production costs! Oh noes! Except it didn’t cost me anything so really, why should I care? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/492 "2008-12-03T15:41:54Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Except it didn’t cost me anything so really, why should I care? I tend to like people either to follow the law or to change the law. She’s attempting neither. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/493 "2008-12-03T15:45:17Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > I personally don’t care whether she ever gives the clothes back. > The clothes were a legitimate campaign expense. They were paid for out of RNC dollars. Way, way, way upthread, I made a really dumb joke about “hearing about her damn dog.” That was a reference, see, to a [famous speech](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checkers_speech) made by Richard Nixon. Wealthy donors buying $150,000 worth of swag for a politician is corruption. How can it not be? ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/494 "2008-12-03T15:50:09Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Should she give it back? My opinion is no What other parts of the campaign financing laws do you think we should pay no attention to? Maximum contribution? Public access to contributors’ names? She broke the law, which was co-authored by her former running mate, unless she folows through on her promise to to donate the clothing to charity. It’s not even on the table for her just to keep the clothes, even by her own statement. Are you just saying that it’s fine with you to agree to do one thing and then do the opposite? Seems to me your problem is with her, for starters. Tell her to publicly refuse to give the clothing to charity–that should be an interesting news cycle or three. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/495 "2008-12-03T15:51:33Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > I personally don’t care whether she ever gives the clothes back. > The clothes were a legitimate campaign expense. They were paid for out of RNC dollars. > Was it too much money to spend on clothes? In my opinion, yes, but my opinion doesn’t count. I’m not part of the RNC and none of my money went to buy her clothes. > Should she give it back? My opinion is no because you don’t give back radio ads or port-a-potty rentals or staffer salaries or any of the literally millions of things bought/rented in the campaign whose money falls into the ether never to return. The RNC can demand she does and, again, it’s really not any of my concern. > > I’d like to think that I don’t care about this issue because there’s just so many other things to get worked up about. But it’s really that this issue doesn’t affect me in the slightest and I see no real reason to force her to do anything. It’s like when every newspaper in the country was getting bent out of shape about the rising costs of the movie Titanic. It’s over $200 million in production costs! Oh noes! Except it didn’t cost me anything so really, why should I care? That would all be fine if we didn’t have this pesky little thing called the tax code and the campaign laws which prohibit giving things of value to a politician. Unlike a commercial, clothes have actual value to the recipient after the campaign is over. If someone gave me $150,000 worth of clothes and I did not report it on my tax return I would go to prison. I guess the laws only apply to the little people… ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/496 "2008-12-03T15:52:31Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > What other parts of the campaign financing laws do you think we should pay no attention to? Maximum contribution? Public access to contributors’ names? She broke the law, which was co-authored by her former running mate, unless she folows through on her promise to to donate the clothing to charity. It’s not even on the table for her just to keep the clothes, even by her own statement. Are you just saying that it’s fine with you to agree to do one thing and then do the opposite? Seems to me your problem is with her, for starters. Tell her to publicly refuse to give the clothing to charity–that should be an interesting news cycle or three. I shouldn’t have to tell you this but It’s All Right if A Republican Does It. You’ve really got to try harder to keep up, I’m not always going to be here to catch these things for you. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/497 "2008-12-03T18:53:50Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > What other parts of the campaign financing laws do you think we should pay no attention to? Maximum contribution? Public access to contributors’ names? She broke the law, which was co-authored by her former running mate, unless she folows through on her promise to to donate the clothing to charity. It’s not even on the table for her just to keep the clothes, even by her own statement. Are you just saying that it’s fine with you to agree to do one thing and then do the opposite? Seems to me your problem is with her, for starters. Tell her to publicly refuse to give the clothing to charity–that should be an interesting news cycle or three. Well, whether I tell her to give back the clothes or not, she’s really not going to listen to me so I highly doubt the news cycle will miss a rotation over it. She should have probably given it back - or to charity- because the negative publicity of keeping them isn’t worth it in the long term. Right now it’s a little too late to turn that ship around, though. No, it’s not fine to say one thing and do another. I never said that. I also never said it wasn’t against the law. My point is that just that I don’t care. I didn’t care when she spent that money to get those clothes and I don’t care now that she won’t (or hasn’t) given it back. I know. I know. You all are screaming “How can you not care she broke the law!!!” and I guess you can chalk it up to outrage fatigue. How can I profess to not care and then spend all this time debating my blase attitude? Eh, boredom I guess. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/498 "2008-12-03T19:07:34Z")
I have a dream that someday dopers won’t find it necessary to post in a thread to tell everyone else how uninterested they are in the topic. ---
**Author:** ![spinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@spinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spinky)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/499 "2008-12-03T19:13:47Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > I know. I know. You all are screaming “How can you not care she broke the law!!!” and I guess you can chalk it up to outrage fatigue. What kinds of illegal contributions **could** you work up outrage for? What if a wealthy contributor just deposited $50k in her personal bank account? That wouldn’t affect you either, right? ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457/500 "2008-12-03T19:17:01Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I have a dream that someday dopers won’t find it necessary to post in a thread to tell everyone else how uninterested they are in the topic. I would too if I weren’t so apathetic. I keed I keed. Hey, it’s not like I go into every Lost thread shitting all over the place about how I’ve never seen an episode and I’m proud about how I don’t waste my time on it. But I think it’s ok to pop into page TEN of a month old thread about a beauty pagent moose hunter\* and her shopping spree when it’s just as well she never appear in another thread on the Dope ever again. \*[sub]I reserve the rights to Beauty Pagent Moose Hunter in case the Discovery Channel picks it up next season.[/sub] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-when-is-palin-giving-back-all-the-clothes/471457.md?page=26)