# So, who do you think the other Cylons are? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 15, 2006, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529 "2006-10-15T15:25:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529/41 "2006-10-16T17:19:11Z")
Also, remember, twelve Cylons and Twelve Colonies? If the number “twelve” is insignificant, it’s a rather spooky coincidence, no? ---
**Author:** ![Grossbottom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ba8739/32.png) [@Grossbottom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grossbottom)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529/42 "2006-10-16T17:20:57Z")
[QUOTE=Merijeek] Um…What brought up Mo Rocca? [/QUOTE] He was a judge on Iron Chef America again last night. One of these days I hope Morimoto snaps and starts chopping shit off that smarmy prick. I don’t think a more irritating D-list celeb exists, except maybe Casey Affleck. ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529/43 "2006-10-16T17:27:00Z")
[QUOTE=Loopydude] So toaster Cylons developed these highly convincing skinjob Cylons during the Cylon war, or very shortly afteward? We talking a span of maybe fourty years, here, and Baltar appears to be in his mid-to-late thirties. Also, there don’t appear to be any baby skinjob Cylons, just adults. For Baltar to have been adopted that young, there’s a helluva lot we don’t know about Cylons. It’d be a massive retcon, if you ask me. [/QUOTE] Actually it would appear for the over reaction to the original boomerbaby hybrid and lack of real fanfare for Starbucks supposed hybrid child that Toasters are able to make meat puppet moppets too They seem quite patient and as convoluted a plan(come on as good as it is we are talking a TV show here) they could have been setting up the downfall right at the end of the last war. Is it not possible that they created one early on to grow as a human amongst them and get into a sensative area and when the time was right to spring into action. It wouldn’t be activated per se hence the need for #6 to use him to infiltrate. I’m just guessing, of course, but I wouldn’t be surprised. I’m pretty good (or lucky) at guessing plot twists in some shows. We’ll have to wait and see… ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529/44 "2006-10-16T17:27:40Z")
[QUOTE=Loopydude] Also, remember, twelve Cylons and Twelve Colonies? If the number “twelve” is insignificant, it’s a rather spooky coincidence, no? [/QUOTE] And there were 12 Olypmian Gods, hence 12 Lords of Kobol. It’s safe to assume the not was correct. Also in a deleted scene for Downloaded GINA insisted D’Anna call Sharon’s baby **13** instead of Hera. ---
**Author:** ![Autumn\_Almanac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@Autumn\_Almanac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autumn_Almanac)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529/45 "2006-10-16T17:45:40Z")
[QUOTE=Subway Prophet] Here’s a thought. The only reason we “know” there are 12 models is because Baltar left a note for Adama, right? (Ignoring Ron’s wildly accurate podcasts for a moment here. :)) And Baltar got his info from his hallucinated Six, who is either an actual uninformed figment of his diseased imagination, or an actual Cylon implant giving him weird dreams. Either way, the number could be misleading or flat-out wrong. There very well may be only 7 Cylon skinjob models. [/QUOTE] Minor nitpick! I believe it was the _actual_ Caprica-Six, not the hallucination, that told Baltar about the twelve models. ---
**Author:** ![Subway\_Prophet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecb155/32.png) [@Subway\_Prophet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subway_Prophet)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529/46 "2006-10-16T18:15:16Z")
[QUOTE=Autumn Almanac] Minor nitpick! I believe it was the _actual_ Caprica-Six, not the hallucination, that told Baltar about the twelve models. [/QUOTE] Ah, er, yep. :smack: So, who was Six talking to on Caprica, out on the sidewalk, after Baltar left? She looks upwards (and Ms. Helfer ain’t exactly a short woman) and says something like “I was wondering when you would show up.” I wanna know who she was talking to. There, I hope that deflects the attention from my lack of BSG trivia. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Autumn\_Almanac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@Autumn\_Almanac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autumn_Almanac)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529/47 "2006-10-16T18:34:48Z")
[QUOTE=Subway Prophet] So, who was Six talking to on Caprica, out on the sidewalk, after Baltar left? She looks upwards (and Ms. Helfer ain’t exactly a short woman) and says something like “I was wondering when you would show up.” I wanna know who she was talking to. [/QUOTE] I had forgotten all about that, but I just rewatched the miniseries and was wondering the same thing. D’Anna Biers maybe? She seems to be the one coordinating the other Cylon infiltrators. ---
**Author:** ![Autumn\_Almanac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@Autumn\_Almanac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autumn_Almanac)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529/48 "2006-10-16T18:38:11Z")
Another thing from early on that was never settled-- did Adama ever investigate who left that note in his quarters, and why? The viewer can assume that Baltar left the note because he wanted to share the information without drawing suspicion to himself. But Adama and Roslin don’t know who left it and have no reason to assume it’s accurate. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529/49 "2006-10-16T19:06:11Z")
[QUOTE=Autumn Almanac] But Adama and Roslin don’t know who left it and have no reason to assume it’s accurate. [/QUOTE] Plot within plot within plot. Sometimes, you just have to break out the compression phaser rifles. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529/50 "2006-10-16T19:14:25Z")
[QUOTE=Autumn Almanac] The viewer can assume that Baltar left the note because he wanted to share the information without drawing suspicion to himself. [/QUOTE] The problem I have with the note in general is it’s a bit difficult to understand why _anyone_ in the know, be it Baltar, Sharon, whoever, want want to share that info. with Adama. I’m highly skeptical that it could be Baltar because he’s so incredibly paranoid about anyone discovering his involvement in the attack. The idea that the timorous and self-serving Baltar would temporarily grow the balls needed to sneak into Adama’s quarters and plant the note strikes me as pretty incredible, especially since he personally has zero to gain from such a gesture. Of course, other than to taunt him sadistically, I haven’t a clue what any Cylon would hope to gain from giving Adama the scoop either. So, I’ve always assumed a sleeper was just frakking with Adama’s head. ---
**Author:** ![Subway\_Prophet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecb155/32.png) [@Subway\_Prophet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subway_Prophet)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529/51 "2006-10-16T19:31:00Z")
[QUOTE=Loopydude] Of course, other than to taunt him sadistically, I haven’t a clue what any Cylon would hope to gain from giving Adama the scoop either. So, I’ve always assumed a sleeper was just frakking with Adama’s head. [/QUOTE] Boomer, then? Her sugar frosted side loved the old man, and her shredded grain side loved to frak with unsuspecting minds. ---
**Author:** ![Autumn\_Almanac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@Autumn\_Almanac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autumn_Almanac)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529/52 "2006-10-16T19:35:23Z")
[QUOTE=Loopydude] The idea that the timorous and self-serving Baltar would temporarily grow the balls needed to sneak into Adama’s quarters and plant the note strikes me as pretty incredible, especially since he personally has zero to gain from such a gesture. [/QUOTE] He had more to gain early on, when it appeared that the Cylons simply wanted to exterminate humanity asap. Helping the brass discover Cylon agents was in Baltar’s interests because an undiscovered infiltrator might have killed them all at any time. It wasn’t until the “God’s plan” stuff started coming to light that Baltar realized the Cylons had specific plans for him and thus were likely to protect him from attacks on the fleet. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529/53 "2006-10-16T19:41:00Z")
[QUOTE=Loopydude] The idea that the timorous and self-serving Baltar would temporarily grow the balls needed to sneak into Adama’s quarters and plant the note strikes me as pretty incredible, [/QUOTE] His Imaginary Six was, well, watching his six if you will. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jaderabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9fc29f/32.png) [@jaderabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaderabbit)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529/54 "2006-10-16T19:54:13Z")
[QUOTE=Rubystreak] Could baby Kasey, Starbuck’s “kid,” be a Cylon? Why not a little kid model? They have an old man. [/QUOTE] I’ve been thinking the same thing. The only thing that makes me skeptical is that I’m not sure if Cylons can age and grow. Starbuck will get pretty suspicious if that kid doesn’t get any taller. On the other hand, maybe the Cylons churn out adorable moppets to immobilize threats (like Starbuck), do some eavesdropping, and maybe plant bombs or some such. Next up: Dog and cat Cylons! ---
**Author:** ![Bobotheoptimist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/919ad9/32.png) [@Bobotheoptimist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bobotheoptimist)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529/55 "2006-10-16T19:56:48Z")
[This](http://www.blast.net/hart/baltar.jpg) guy, haven’t seen him yet, but we will… 😉 Or maybe a newer version of the [Imperious Leader](http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/Battlestar/leader1.jpg)? I really hope we’re done with sleeper agents - “Likeohmygawd! Apollo’s a Cylon?” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529/56 "2006-10-16T20:08:09Z")
[QUOTE=jaderabbit] On the other hand, maybe the Cylons churn out adorable moppets [/QUOTE] You’re suggeting the rug rat has an adult Cylon intelligence. Not a bad idea. Like the vampire child in one of the Anne Rice novels. That could be truly evil and pretty cool for an episode or two. It could fellate with more allacrity than a thousand dollar call girl very, very quickly. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529/57 "2006-10-16T20:12:55Z")
I think it was also confirmed by the producers in response to fans that there are, indeed, 12 models. So that’s pretty much that. No word on whether there can be little vampire toasters. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529/58 "2006-10-16T20:13:05Z")
[QUOTE=Bobotheoptimist] Or maybe a newer version of the [Imperious Leader](http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/Battlestar/leader1.jpg)? [/QUOTE] That begs for captions. “Why are you standing way up there, Sir?” “So I can throw shit at bullet heads who ask stupid questions.” BAM! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529/59 "2006-10-16T20:14:46Z")
[QUOTE=Apos] No word on whether there can be little vampire toasters. [/QUOTE] Consider if we got to see the kid rip out Tigh’s eye. Now, _that_ would be evil and dark and probably get the series canceled, but it would be cool. ---
**Author:** ![jaderabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9fc29f/32.png) [@jaderabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaderabbit)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529/60 "2006-10-16T20:20:45Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] You’re suggeting the rug rat has an adult Cylon intelligence. Not a bad idea. Like the vampire child in one of the Anne Rice novels. That could be truly evil and pretty cool for an episode or two. [/QUOTE] It could be, but you could also have a toddling sleeper agent. A sleeper in a sleeper. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-do-you-think-the-other-cylons-are/376529.md?page=4)