# So who in the MCU are still technically "Avengers" at this point? Does the "The Avengers" still exist as a team? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** disney-hulu\ **Created:** [December 11, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-in-the-mcu-are-still-technically-avengers-at-this-point-does-the-the-avengers-still-exist-as-a-team/955904 "2021-12-11T22:34:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-in-the-mcu-are-still-technically-avengers-at-this-point-does-the-the-avengers-still-exist-as-a-team/955904/22 "2022-04-24T22:08:15Z")
Pretty much. But even with my limited knowledge of the source material, I know that’s how the comics work. Oh, I forgot, there is also a possibility of Power Girl? (not too sure about this one) and Iron Heart (Iron Man like hero), they go with Ms. Marvel and Squirrel Girl. They were all Junior or Young Avengers in a fairly recent cartoon series. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-in-the-mcu-are-still-technically-avengers-at-this-point-does-the-the-avengers-still-exist-as-a-team/955904/23 "2022-04-24T22:15:48Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Oh, I forgot, there is also a possibility of Power Girl? I think that’s the DC character with the boob window costume. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-in-the-mcu-are-still-technically-avengers-at-this-point-does-the-the-avengers-still-exist-as-a-team/955904/24 "2022-04-24T22:19:50Z")
I was totally confused, I was thinking of [America Chavez](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_America_(America_Chavez)). Not even remotely close. Power Girl showed up in a few episodes of Young Justice. That is the only place I know her from. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-in-the-mcu-are-still-technically-avengers-at-this-point-does-the-the-avengers-still-exist-as-a-team/955904/25 "2022-04-24T22:47:55Z")
I do think they’re working towards Young Avengers with Ms. Marvel, Yelena, Kid Hawkeye, Wanda’s kids, and America. Maybe Stature (Ant-Man’s daughter.) Who knows about Hulkling and Patriot? And I think Moon Knight is sadly going to be standalone. At least as Oscar Isaac. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-in-the-mcu-are-still-technically-avengers-at-this-point-does-the-the-avengers-still-exist-as-a-team/955904/26 "2022-04-24T23:21:01Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > And I think Moon Knight is sadly going to be standalone. At least as Oscar Isaac. Moon Knight never stands alone. 😄 ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-in-the-mcu-are-still-technically-avengers-at-this-point-does-the-the-avengers-still-exist-as-a-team/955904/27 "2022-04-24T23:35:29Z")
> [@epbrown](#): > > I’d say Banner, Thor, Scarlet Witch, War Machine and Hawkeye are still considered Avengers by pretty much everyone. Ahhh, that’s the "Avengers _Classic."_ Then there’s New Avengers, and Diet Avengers, Caffeine-Free Avengers, Cherry No Sugar Avengers, and Ginger Avengers (Orig. Widow, Jean Grey, Medusa, Ghost Rider… and special guest Jimmy Olsen!). ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-in-the-mcu-are-still-technically-avengers-at-this-point-does-the-the-avengers-still-exist-as-a-team/955904/28 "2022-04-24T23:38:27Z")
The original Avengers in the comics were Iron Man, Ant-Man, Hulk Thor and Wasp. Captain America didn’t jump on board until issue #4. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-in-the-mcu-are-still-technically-avengers-at-this-point-does-the-the-avengers-still-exist-as-a-team/955904/29 "2022-04-24T23:43:14Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Who’s going to say that, though? The foundation of the team was Tony (infrastructure) and Steve (leadership). Without those two it’s like The Rolling Stones without Jagger and Richards. I think there is lots of potential for team-ups (of even three or more characters) but I hope the Avengers are pretty much just MCU history from here on out. Nick Fury is still around and will be appearing in The Marvels and Secret Invasion. I’m curious if the whole “multiverse” storyline culminates in some Avengers-level event or if it will get wrapped up with Dr Strange 2 and Ant Man and Wasp 2. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-in-the-mcu-are-still-technically-avengers-at-this-point-does-the-the-avengers-still-exist-as-a-team/955904/30 "2022-04-25T00:14:50Z")
The original Avengers were like the original Justice Society of America, a way to give characters who weren’t the lead figure in a comic a headline roll in another title. Hulk had been cancelled and the others had to share books. After few years, they brought in ex-villains like Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver. Then things got weird. Finally someone at the top got this incredible original idea. Hey, what if… hear me out here… what if we put our most popular characters into one book. What, DC did that with the Justice League of America back in 1960? Well, I thought of it first. In 1959. When I was six. Let’s do it. Ever since, the Avengers have been a brand. Not a group, a brand. For a while there were as many varieties of Avengers as of Coke. Avengers is still a brand. Coke learned the hard way that you can have as many varieties of Coke as there are emojis, but nobody messes with the original. My guess is that the MCU sees that the Avengers have four of the top 12 worldwide grosses in movie history. They might extend the brand with Young Avengers etc. but there will always be an Avengers that brings together every big name. Sure, they’ll add a few rookies trying to make the squad, but if not tomorrow then within a decade, there will be a new Tony, a new Bruce, a new Peter, a new T’Challa, a new Thor, and whatever women have recently had high-grossing solo turns. They’ll be The Avengers. Period. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-in-the-mcu-are-still-technically-avengers-at-this-point-does-the-the-avengers-still-exist-as-a-team/955904/31 "2022-04-25T00:56:18Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Like Pink Floyd, the Avengers are an idea that had their time… Nah, the Avengers’ whole deal is the constantly revolving line up. They’re more Menudo than Pink Floyd. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-in-the-mcu-are-still-technically-avengers-at-this-point-does-the-the-avengers-still-exist-as-a-team/955904/32 "2022-04-25T01:21:23Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > But that’s like that band you saw at the county fair calling themselves The Coasters ten years after the last original member died. Heck, three years ago I saw the Cleveland Orchestra, and the original members have all been dead for decades. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-in-the-mcu-are-still-technically-avengers-at-this-point-does-the-the-avengers-still-exist-as-a-team/955904/33 "2022-04-25T02:07:35Z")
Shang-Chi and his Girlfriend were recruited by Wong at the end of their movie, and were “confirmed” by a Hulk-free Banner and Capt. Marvel. Then they went to a karaoke bar with Wong. They’re definitely Avengers. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-in-the-mcu-are-still-technically-avengers-at-this-point-does-the-the-avengers-still-exist-as-a-team/955904/34 "2022-04-25T02:11:05Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Shang-Chi and his Girlfriend Sequel title! ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-in-the-mcu-are-still-technically-avengers-at-this-point-does-the-the-avengers-still-exist-as-a-team/955904/35 "2022-04-25T02:18:35Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Shang-Chi and his Girlfriend were recruited by Wong at the end of their movie, and were “confirmed” by a Hulk-free Banner and Capt. Marvel. Then they went to a karaoke bar with Wong. They’re definitely Avengers. Ugh! Stranger ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-in-the-mcu-are-still-technically-avengers-at-this-point-does-the-the-avengers-still-exist-as-a-team/955904/36 "2022-04-25T07:28:56Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > But that’s like that band you saw at the county fair calling themselves The Coasters ten years after the last original member died. I’d say it’s more like considering Wood a legit Rolling Stone, IMO. Falcon, Ant-man, Spider-man have been there long enough even if they wasn’t there for the _first_ team-up. IMO, anyone who was in the team for _Infinity War_ is a legit Avenger and can get the decoder ring and coffee mug. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-in-the-mcu-are-still-technically-avengers-at-this-point-does-the-the-avengers-still-exist-as-a-team/955904/37 "2022-04-25T09:51:06Z")
What do you have against karaoke? ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-in-the-mcu-are-still-technically-avengers-at-this-point-does-the-the-avengers-still-exist-as-a-team/955904/38 "2022-04-25T13:26:20Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > What if everyone who’d ever been an Avenger remained an Avenger? You know, that’s not that different from issue #100 of the first **Avengers** comic book, which featured an appearance by everyone who had ever been considered an “Avenger” up to that point (including _The Swordsman_, who barely qualified). Barry (Windsor) Smith, who got stuck with pencilling the issue, hated having to do so, because he had to research how to draw so many characters he’d never heard of, or cared about. > **[Avengers Vol 1 100](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Avengers_Vol_1_100)** > > Featured Characters: Avengers (Main story and recap) ⏴ Black Knight (Dane Whitman) ⏵ (Rejoins and leaves team) ⏴ Captain America (Steve Rogers) ⏵ (Main story and recap) ⏴ Black Panther (T'Challa) ⏵ (Rejoins and leaves... ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-in-the-mcu-are-still-technically-avengers-at-this-point-does-the-the-avengers-still-exist-as-a-team/955904/39 "2022-04-25T13:38:09Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’d say it’s more like considering Wood a legit Rolling Stone, IMO. Falcon, Ant-man, Spider-man have been there long enough even if they wasn’t there for the _first_ team-up. I’d pay to see Ronnie Wood perform but if Jagger and Richards aren’t on stage with him, it ain’t The Rolling Stones. Sure, Falcon, Ant-Man, and Spidey are Avengers. Paul McCartney is a Beatle. Ringo is a Beatle. But Paul and Ringo are NOT The Beatles. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-in-the-mcu-are-still-technically-avengers-at-this-point-does-the-the-avengers-still-exist-as-a-team/955904.md?page=1)