# So...who likes Mark Warner in 2008? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 21, 2006, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231 "2006-03-21T01:52:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231/41 "2006-03-23T11:33:12Z")
> [@Apos](#): > > -he’s got a horseface: yep. But it didn’t hurt him in VA. It’s the sort of thing that can be sort of endearing. It could play against him, but its hard to judge. He’s at least recognizeable: a HUGE man (abe lincoln huge) with a HUGE smile. That’s interesting. I’ve long thought that the better looking of the candidates generally wins. From my straight male perspective: I’d much rather have looked like Kennedy than Nixon LBJ was an aberration, I’d rather have looked like Goldwater Nixon, Humphrey, and McGovern all were attractiveness-challenged. At least Nixon had a little more hair. I’d definitely rather look like Carter than Ford. I’d much rather look like Reagan even at his age then than either Carter or Mondale. I don’t see much to choose from between schoolmarmish Bush Sr. and shrimpy Dukakis. I’d much rather look like Clinton (and have his way with ladies) than either Bush or Dole. Bush and Gore would be a tossup in my book. And of course who would want to look like Kerry? Now if I looked in the mirror and saw Warner’s face, I’d probably drop it. I think physical attractiveness is definitely a factor and that his could be a problem for him. ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_Foxtrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc29f/32.png) [@Agent\_Foxtrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agent_Foxtrot)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231/42 "2006-03-23T13:33:34Z")
Everything I’ve read here makes me like him even more. **Apos** , you should definitely work for his campaign. 🙂 Adam ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/47e85d/32.png) [@Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Lance_Murdoch)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231/43 "2006-03-23T16:01:57Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > I beg to differ. It IS that simple. No Democrat stands a snowball’s chance of winning Texas. No Republican is going to win California. > > The guy/gal who wins is going to be the one who grabs a handful of states like Ohio and Florida, states that should be very much in play. > > Can Hillary do it? Sure- so can many Democrats. But Mark Warner has a better shot at doing it than most of the alternatives I’ve heard put forth. Right now Bush has a [41% approval rating in Texas.](http://www.surveyusa.com/50State2006/50StateBushApproval060315State.htm) Traditionally, incumbent candidates draw vote totals very close to their approval rating. If Bush were running this year he would stand a real chance of losing in Texas. Of course Bush won’t be the candidate next time and whoever the Democrats pick will be portrayed as an anti-Christian terrorist-lover by the AM radio hate-machine before the election. But also the next Republican candidate almost certainly won’t be a Texan either. So the bottom line is that Texas leans to the Republicans, but it isn’t unthinkable that a Democrat could win there. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231/44 "2006-03-23T16:11:26Z")
> [@Apos](#): > > One thing that will get Warner in trouble with the left is that he is very pro-business. He rephrases many conventional Democratic issues in terms of why they are good for businesses (and hence jobs, hence healthcare, etc.) That’s not going to endear him to anti-Walmart types. It will if he can come up with reasons why Wal-mart’s practices, while good for its stockholders, are bad for the business climate in general. And I’m sure that would not be difficult. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231/45 "2006-03-23T16:55:42Z")
George Will on a possible Warner presidential bid (undated, but from at least a year or so ago, it looks like): > **[Syndication](https://www.washingtonpost.com/syndication/)** > > The Washington Post's News Service and Syndication page. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231/46 "2006-03-23T17:16:05Z")
Oh, I probably will. If it still seems like that’s where all the action will be in 2007. I will not work for Hillary, at least not in a run for President. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231/47 "2006-03-23T19:30:23Z")
> [@Apos](#): > > I will not work for Hillary, at least not in a run for President. I’ll probably regret asking this, but why not? ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_Foxtrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc29f/32.png) [@Agent\_Foxtrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agent_Foxtrot)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231/48 "2006-03-23T20:01:46Z")
> [@Apos](#): > > Oh, I probably will. If it still seems like that’s where all the action will be in 2007. I will not work for Hillary, at least not in a run for President. If you do, please let me know. I’d love to volunteer, or something. Adam ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231/49 "2006-03-23T20:25:10Z")
I don’t think she’s a viable national Democratic candidate: I just don’t think she can win. Her negatives are already high enough and fairly solid, and they can go higher. And, she’s bland, with none of the talent of her husband. She represents all the sorts of traditional Democratic power structure I generally work against. Of course, I’m not a Howard Dean fan either: I don’t much like the old school or the self-annointed new school. Hillary could become a great very powerful and influential Senator. She’s actually pretty darn good at it. But an executive? President? Nah. First of all I don’t think it’s likely to happen, and second of all, it’s a wrong move in this giant chess game of fate. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231/50 "2006-03-23T23:38:27Z")
A fiscally conservative Dem! This registered non-partisan will keep his eye on him. Why didn’t he run for a second term? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231/51 "2006-03-23T23:41:48Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Why didn’t he run for a second term? I just looked up the answer to my own question. In VA, you can’t serve consecutive terms. ---
**Author:** ![Zahava424](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/76d3ee/32.png) [@Zahava424](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zahava424)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2006, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231/52 "2006-03-24T00:56:28Z")
Because he couldn’t. Viginia has a one-term limit for the governorship/ ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2006, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231/53 "2006-03-24T01:03:54Z")
Would I vote for Warner? Of course. I voted to send him to Richmond, and I’d send him to Washington too. I like Warner’s face, in a strange sort of way. He’s actually so ugly he’s handsome, if that makes any sense. He has nice eyes. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2006, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231/54 "2006-03-24T14:16:48Z")
> [@Gladstone](#): > > Whoa, whoa, WHOA. You’re telling me Arnold Schwarzenegger isn’t a natural born citizen as is required for presidential eligibility under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution? > > Seriously though, I was merely using Arnold as an example of a Republican capable of winning California, since **astorian** said essentially that no Republican could win California. No Republican COULD win California in a 2 person, head to head race. The runoff was a weird situation, one that no short-term future election is going to duplicate. In 2008, Hillary/Warner/Whoever will win California easily. McCain/Giuliani/Condi/Whoever won’t bother campaigning much in California, and rightly so. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2006, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231/55 "2006-03-24T14:19:50Z")
> [@Captain Lance Murdoch](#): > > Right now Bush has a [41% approval rating in Texas.](http://www.surveyusa.com/50State2006/50StateBushApproval060315State.htm) Traditionally, incumbent candidates draw vote totals very close to their approval rating. If Bush were running this year he would stand a real chance of losing in Texas. Of course Bush won’t be the candidate next time and whoever the Democrats pick will be portrayed as an anti-Christian terrorist-lover by the AM radio hate-machine before the election. But also the next Republican candidate almost certainly won’t be a Texan either. So the bottom line is that Texas leans to the Republicans, but it isn’t unthinkable that a Democrat could win there. Sorry, you’re completely wrong. There are NO circumstances under which ANY Democrat could win Texas in 2008. Now, if we look LONG term, assuming the Hispanic population in TExas continues to grow rapidly, the Democrats certainly can and will make strong showings down the road. But not any time soon. Still, I hope Hillary thinks like you. I HOPE she spends weeks and millions of dollars campaigning in a state she has no chance to win. But I suspect she’s way to smart to do something that unproductive. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2006, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231/56 "2006-03-24T14:21:31Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > No Republican COULD win California in a 2 person, head to head race. The runoff was a weird situation, one that no short-term future election is going to duplicate. > > In 2008, Hillary/Warner/Whoever will win California easily. McCain/Giuliani/Condi/Whoever won’t bother campaigning much in California, and rightly so. I think you are writing off California too quickly. The right republican {not on the right 😉 } would have a chance against the wrong Democrat. Reagan did win California. Rudy G vs Hillary \*\*might \*\* give California to the Republicans. It is conceivable. Did Reagan win California both times or just in '84? I’m not sure how to look that one up. Jim ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2006, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231/57 "2006-03-24T14:25:31Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > Did Reagan win California both times or just in '84? I’m not sure how to look that one up. Wiki shows he won California both times. > **[1980 United States presidential election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_1980)** > > Jimmy Carter > Democratic > Ronald Reagan > Republican > The 1980 United States presidential election was the 49th quadrennial presidential election. It was held on Tuesday, November 4, 1980. Republican nominee Ronald Reagan defeated incumbent Democratic president Jimmy Carter in a landslide victory. This was the second successive election in which the incumbent president was defeated, after Carter himself defeated Gerald Ford four years earlier in 1976. Additionally, it was only the second time, and... > **[1984 United States presidential election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_1984)** > > Ronald Reagan > Republican > Ronald Reagan > Republican > The 1984 United States presidential election was the 50th quadrennial presidential election. It was held on Tuesday, November 6, 1984. Incumbent Republican President Ronald Reagan defeated former Vice President Walter Mondale, the Democratic candidate, in a landslide victory, winning 525 electoral votes and 58.8 percent of the popular vote. No other candidate in United States history has ever matched Reagan's electoral vote total in a single e... Google search used: reagan presidential election California result Jim {sorry, it was easier than I expected} ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2006, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231/58 "2006-03-24T14:33:10Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > No Republican COULD win California in a 2 person, head to head race. The runoff was a weird situation, one that no short-term future election is going to duplicate. > > In 2008, Hillary/Warner/Whoever will win California easily. McCain/Giuliani/Condi/Whoever won’t bother campaigning much in California, and rightly so. I went all the way back to 1952. 50 years of results. 1952 = Ike (R) 1956 = Ike (R) 1960 = Nixon (R) 1964 = Johnson (D) 1968 = Nixon (R) 1972 = Nixon (R) 1976 = Ford (R) 1980 = Reagan (R) 1984 = Reagan (R) 1988 = Bush (R) 1992 = Clinton (D) 1996 = Clinton (D) 2000 = Gore (D) 2004 = Kerry (D) So California has only been going Democratic in Presidential Elections since Clinton. I don’t think the Dems better assume that California is in the bag unless another Religious right winger runs like lets say Jeb Bush. Moderates have made a good showing in California. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/47e85d/32.png) [@Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Lance_Murdoch)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2006, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231/59 "2006-03-24T15:11:03Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Sorry, you’re completely wrong. There are NO circumstances under which ANY Democrat could win Texas in 2008. Now, if we look LONG term, assuming the Hispanic population in TExas continues to grow rapidly, the Democrats certainly can and will make strong showings down the road. But not any time soon. > > Still, I hope Hillary thinks like you. I HOPE she spends weeks and millions of dollars campaigning in a state she has no chance to win. But I suspect she’s way to smart to do something that unproductive. So if the Republicans run Rudi Giuliani the pro-choice, pro-gun control, adulterer from New York City against a Southern Democrat Texas will be in the bag for Rudi? I doubt the Democrats will bother with Texas much in 2008 so it will basically be given to whomever the Republicans nominate (probably not Giuliani). But to say under NO circumstances could they win is silly. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2006, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231/60 "2006-03-24T15:16:00Z")
> [@Captain Lance Murdoch](#): > > So if the Republicans run Rudi Giuliani the pro-choice, pro-gun control, adulterer from New York City against a Southern Democrat Texas will be in the bag for Rudi? > > I doubt the Democrats will bother with Texas much in 2008 so it will basically be given to whomever the Republicans nominate (probably not Giuliani). But to say under NO circumstances could they win is silly. BTW: Last time Texas voted for a Dem was 1976 Carter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-who-likes-mark-warner-in-2008/349231.md?page=4)