# So, why haven't Republicans got rid of Trump? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 26, 2017, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885 "2017-10-26T12:53:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885/81 "2017-10-27T21:13:55Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Taxes can come back, but messing with the tax code is disruptive to the economy. Even just cutting taxes and giving people money is a disruption. Republicans are willing to disrupt the economy every time they get into power by messing around with ta code, but the democrats try to make sure that their actions result in positive impacts on the economy. That means that taxes usually need to be phased in over a longer period of time than they were phased out,m and usually cannot go back to the levels they were before without quite a fight. > > Combine that with the increase on interest on the debt that we are paying due to those tax cuts, and even bringing them back to the levels they were pre-cut results in less revenue. Democrats advocate policy that gets them power. That’s no different than any other party. It’s also debatable that democratic policy is anywhere near optimal when a lot of that policy leads to tremendous amount of economic disruption in the form of mass migration and offshore manufacturing. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885/82 "2017-10-27T21:33:31Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Democrats advocate policy that gets them power. That’s no different than any other party. It’s also debatable that democratic policy is anywhere near optimal when a lot of that policy leads to tremendous amount of economic disruption in the form of mass migration and offshore manufacturing. It’s also debatable as to whether your last sentence contains any amount of veracity to it whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885/83 "2017-10-27T21:52:20Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Democrats advocate policy that gets them power. That’s no different than any other party. It’s also debatable that democratic policy is anywhere near optimal when a lot of that policy leads to tremendous amount of economic disruption in the form of mass migration and offshore manufacturing. Republicans advocate policy that gets them power. The difference is that the policies the Democrats advocate are ones that benefit the most Americans, and the policies the Republicans advocate are ones that benefit the very few. It is also debatable whether Republican policy is anywhere near optimal, as has been shown by history. Under Republican policy over half a century ago, businesses were induced by the tax codes to reinvest in their companies, upgrading their operations, investing in innovation, hiring workers, etc. Now all of the profits go to individuals who hide their money offshore so that it cannot help the economy or the American people. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885/84 "2017-10-27T21:58:13Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > a lot of that policy leads to tremendous amount of economic disruption in the form of mass migration and offshore manufacturing. That sounds more Republican to me; the help desks I call for Hewlett Packard, an American company is in India or Pakistan so HP can pay the guys there less and take jobs away from people in the USA. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885/85 "2017-10-27T22:12:15Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > That sounds more Republican to me; the help desks I call for Hewlett Packard, an American company is in India or Pakistan so HP can pay the guys there less and take jobs away from people in the USA. My job was outsourced to an Indian company during Bush 43’s second term. Just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885/86 "2017-10-27T22:12:17Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Under Republican policy over half a century ago, businesses were induced by the tax codes to reinvest in their companies, upgrading their operations, investing in innovation, hiring workers, etc. Now all of the profits go to individuals who hide their money offshore so that it cannot help the economy or the American people. The Republican tax plan being considered says that the tax cut companies receive will be given to their employees as wage increases. Yeah. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885/87 "2017-10-27T22:13:42Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > That sounds more Republican to me; the help desks I call for Hewlett Packard, an American company is in India or Pakistan so HP can pay the guys there less and take jobs away from people in the USA. > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > My job was outsourced to an Indian company during Bush 43’s second term. Just sayin’. So, impact of policy occurs exactly 0 seconds after policy is enacted? No. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885/88 "2017-10-27T22:37:45Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > The Republican tax plan being considered says that the tax cut companies receive will be given to their employees as wage increases. Yeah. Ahahahahahahahaha! Damn, I’m glad I wasn’t drinking coffee when I read that! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885/89 "2017-10-27T22:38:47Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > So, impact of policy occurs exactly 0 seconds after policy is enacted? No. Seven years equals zero seconds. Got it. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885/90 "2017-10-27T23:26:23Z")
President Eisenhower wanted to keep taxes high on businesses so that rather than pay taxes on income, they would reinvest it in their company, opening new stores, factories, whatever, and hiring more people. I like Ike! ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885/91 "2017-10-28T01:15:27Z")
The very, very basic problem of trickle down economics is that with out people that have more income to buy your product, there is absolutely no reason to MAKE more product. No reason to hire more workers and expand. So guess what happens to the extra money from tax incentives? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885/92 "2017-10-28T01:43:33Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > President Eisenhower wanted to keep taxes high on businesses so that rather than pay taxes on income, they would reinvest it in their company, opening new stores, factories, whatever, and hiring more people. > I like Ike! > [@enipla](#): > > The very, very basic problem of trickle down economics is that with out people that have more income to buy your product, there is absolutely no reason to MAKE more product. No reason to hire more workers and expand. > > So guess what happens to the extra money from tax incentives? Exactly. Times two. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885/93 "2017-10-28T03:17:01Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > The very, very basic problem of trickle down economics is that with out people that have more income to buy your product, there is absolutely no reason to MAKE more product. No reason to hire more workers and expand. > > So guess what happens to the extra money from tax incentives? We can’t stop off shoring though. We can’t or won’t stop under the table or “undocumented” work. A basic income could help. But we want production here and we need to provide incentives for that. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885/94 "2017-10-28T04:56:29Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > So, why haven’t Republicans got rid of Trump? > > The list of Trump’s solecisms is considerable: liar, bully, incompetent, etc etc. And they have one of their own - Pence - in the wings. Removing Trump now will give Pence three years to correct the damage Trump has done. So why haven’t the Republicans got rid of him? They control the Senate and the House, so removing him by impeachment should be trivial. Indeed, they could save everyone’s face and present Trump with a fait accompli and Trump could stand down citing medical reasons. > > So why haven’t they done it? Because Democrats can only convince Democrats as to what Democrats think should/could/would be done. Republicans have been hearing Democrats blame Trump for stuff he has done, for stuff he hasn’t done, for stuff he should have done, for stuff he shouldn’t have done, and for stuff he wasn’t involved with. According to some Democrats, literally everything is supposed to be Trump’s fault. Blah, blah, blah. The end result is that Republicans are ignoring the Democrat’s whining. What I find amazing/amusing is that the Democrats still haven’t been able to figure that out. “Why haven’t Republicans got rid of Trump”? Because Republicans don’t think, or feel, or vote, like Hillary-worshipping Democrats. Maybe, if Democrats continue their personal attacks on Republican voters, that will convince Republicans to act/vote/feel like Democrats? But I doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![computergeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e56c9b/32.png) [@computergeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/computergeek)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885/95 "2017-10-28T05:05:28Z")
The Republicans want their legislation passed and need Trump to sign their bills. Even more so, they are afraid of Trump’s base and getting primaried. So they will put up with Trump until it’s politically viable not to. That may not happen unless and until they lose big in the next elections ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885/96 "2017-10-28T05:26:29Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Because Democrats can only convince Democrats as to what Democrats think should/could/would be done. Republicans have been hearing Democrats blame Trump for stuff he has done, for stuff he hasn’t done, for stuff he should have done, for stuff he shouldn’t have done, and for stuff he wasn’t involved with. According to some Democrats, literally everything is supposed to be Trump’s fault. Blah, blah, blah. “[The buck stops here](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51J-SPJIDeL.jpg)”, maybe you’ve heard that somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885/97 "2017-10-28T14:33:55Z")
> [@computergeek](#): > > The Republicans want their legislation passed and need Trump to sign their bills. Even more so, they are afraid of Trump’s base and getting primaried. So they will put up with Trump until it’s politically viable not to. That may not happen unless and until they lose big in the next elections Your first reason is not a real reason. Pence will sign the bills as readily as Trump will. In fact, I think many (most?) Republicans would prefer President Pence to President Trump. It’s just that the journey from point T to point P is fraught with peril, as has been noted many times already, and as you echo in your 2nd reason. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885/98 "2017-10-28T14:39:06Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Your first reason is not a real reason. Pence will sign the bills as readily as Trump will. > > In fact, I think many (most?) Republicans would prefer President Pence to President Trump. It’s just that the journey from point T to point P is fraught with peril, as has been noted many times already, and as you echo in your 2nd reason. I think many or most elected Republicans may prefer Pence to Trump, but I’m doubtful about many or most Republicans in general. But, yes, if Trump were somehow removed, the complete clusterfuck that would follow would blow up any chance of Republicans enacting their agenda. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885/99 "2017-10-28T14:44:40Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > I think many or most elected Republicans may prefer Pence to Trump, but I’m doubtful about many or most Republicans in general. Heh. I just came back in here to clarify. You are right. I meant to say “in Congress” and should have said so. I was relying too much on context. ---
**Author:** ![ThisIsTheEnd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisistheend/32/4713_2.png) [@ThisIsTheEnd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisIsTheEnd)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885/100 "2017-10-28T15:33:14Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Your first reason is not a real reason. Pence will sign the bills as readily as Trump will. > > In fact, I think many (most?) Republicans would prefer President Pence to President Trump. It’s just that the journey from point T to point P is fraught with peril, as has been noted many times already, and as you echo in your 2nd reason. Yep, that’s a big part of it. In addition to them just plain being venal anyway. BTW, the way various Repubs are not popping the 401k trial balloon tells me it’s no longer a trial and this tax bill is going to be a huge heist of retirement money. In addition to Rothifying or cutting the contribution limit, they are also likely to require accelerated distributions from retirement accounts for beneficiaries when the original owner dies. Instead of being able to take RMDs over their lifetimes, the beneficiaries will have to take all or most of it within 5 years. Which will often both put them in a higher tax bracket during those years, and also rob them of the ability to have the money grow tax deferred. Which also, funnily, and not in a haha way, reduces the amount of total tax the gov’t will eventually get. Even with their laughable projections of how growth will make up a lot of the deficit for these cuts, even with that laughable number, they still need to come up with a fuckload of money fast to make up the rest, and the retirement pool is a juicy target and they are going to rape the shit out of it. And the base is too stupid to figure this out, they’ll get their $600 and be happy. And even if they realized what’s gonna happen, they’d go along with it as long as the tweets and other dumb shit he says keep coming. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-havent-republicans-got-rid-of-trump/799885.md?page=6)