# So why was Ammonius Saccus banned? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 24, 2006, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438 "2006-12-24T14:15:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438/341 "2006-12-29T19:28:57Z")
[QUOTE=Larry Borgia] Given that he is a troll, a jerk, and a stalker I have to ask, why not? [/QUOTE] Since I have been a personal target of some of his attacks, I would prefer that any staff actions not arise with me, simply to avoid promoting the very nonsense to which **prr** seems wedded. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438/342 "2006-12-29T19:34:26Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] Since I have been a personal target of some of his attacks, I would prefer that any staff actions not arise with me, simply to avoid promoting the very nonsense to which **prr** seems wedded. [/QUOTE] Fair enough, I can see that. However, should you initiate such action, I think you’d have the support and understanding of most of the board. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438/343 "2006-12-29T19:39:40Z")
Perhaps, but then there would always be the lingering doubt among some that I would abuse my powers based on personal antagonism. In my Forum, **badchad** is a minor player in a tiny number of threads (_one-trick pony and all_😛 ) so that he is not really all that disruptive. I do not need to take action against him to prevent **Great Debates** from going to hell, so I am willing to wait until he attracts the negative attention of the rest of the staff in other Fora. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438/344 "2006-12-29T20:05:38Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] I am willing to wait until he attracts the negative attention of the rest of the staff in other Fora. [/QUOTE] Didn’t have to wait long. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438/345 "2006-12-29T20:12:00Z")
[QUOTE=Lute Skywatcher] Didn’t have to wait long. [/QUOTE] You forgot the link: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8101569](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8101569) \*\*BadChad \*\* has been suspended. Not a huge surprise. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438/346 "2006-12-29T20:13:07Z")
[QUOTE=pseudotriton ruber ruber] BTW, what common literary allusion have I displayed a lack of familiarity with? This is a new one to me. [/QUOTE] Humility. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438/347 "2006-12-29T20:16:58Z")
Good. The full banning will undoubtedly follow when BC “martyrs” himself. Tom, I think you’re an outstanding mod, so take this feedback in that context. This whole Caesar’s wife thing can definitely be taken too far. Leaders sometimes take positions that will piss off certain people because it’s the right thing to do. You’re up to that challenge. Don’t let him or others jerk you and the board around like that in the interest of appearing impartial. Pull the trigger next time. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438/348 "2006-12-29T20:37:27Z")
> [@](#): > > Caesar’s wife thing Now, you really should not start using allusions that might go over the heads of some posters. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438/349 "2006-12-29T20:38:47Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] Now, you really should not start using allusions that might go over the heads of some posters. 😛 [/QUOTE] Nice. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438/350 "2006-12-29T21:21:11Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] You forgot the link: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8101569](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8101569) \*\*BadChad \*\* has been suspended. Not a huge surprise. Jim [/QUOTE] I’m waiting for the pit thread blaming **tom**. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438/351 "2006-12-29T21:30:31Z")
Nah. Too much work. Any mod worth his salt knows how to change the title of an existing thread (as evidenced by how many names [this one](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=374782) went through. So they could just rename this one _So why was badchad suspended?_ and carry on from where we are now. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438/352 "2006-12-29T21:42:23Z")
[QUOTE=rayh] I’m waiting for the pit thread blaming **tom**. [/QUOTE] Well, I hope whoever is considering starting one dunks their genitals in ice water first. I’ve heard it’s quite the experience. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438/353 "2006-12-29T22:10:04Z")
Well, then, I won’t say anything else about Badchad until he returns. But in general, Tom, I would join those encouraging you to act on your convictions. There are at least two kinds of ways to misuse your mod powers. One is to continually warn a member for no good reason. The other is to scrupulously avoid warning a user for no good reason. A mod should not be paralyzed from fear that a member can hold him at bay simply by accusing him of favoritism or such. Do what you think is right. As I’ve said before, one of the best moderators on this board is Czarcasm. He and I have a long history of contention and conflict. But he has been unfailingly fair in his mod treatment of me, allowing me to express myself unhindered, but citing me for rule bendage when appropriate. He’s an atheist. A hard, badass atheist. And I respect him a great deal. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438/354 "2006-12-29T22:14:18Z")
**pseudotriton ruber ruber** , I’m glad that you have come clean and admitted your deception regarding your position. I won’t judge your motives for self-promotion, but you have to know that it isn’t a sign of well-being. I hadn’t really noticed your posts that much to remember them until the ones from recent months. You seem to have surprised some posters with a change in personality. That might be something you would want to examine IRL with a friend or someone in the office where you work. Just remember that you do not have anonymity from yourself. I accept your apology and appreciate the rational and reasonable tone in which it was offered. That’s the first time I’ve seen you act like a man and a decent human being. We have found something that both of us can firmly support. And it’s this statement from you: [quote] **I think that my posts speak for themselves in terms of their clarity and substance…** Indeed they do. I hope the New Year holds some pleasant changes for you: quietness inside and simple self-acceptance. ---
**Author:** ![Caridwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@Caridwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caridwen)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438/355 "2006-12-29T22:31:24Z")
Was the apology in this thread **Zoe**? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438/356 "2006-12-29T22:51:54Z")
[QUOTE=rayh] I’m waiting for the pit thread blaming **tom**. [/QUOTE] I doubt **PRR** will start one, I cannot see anyone else doing so. I don’t think anyone else perceives \*\*Tom’s \*\* modding to be poor the way \*\*BC \*\* & \*\*PRR \*\* do. [QUOTE=Caridwen] Was the apology in this thread Zoe? [/QUOTE] Similar question **Zoe** , where was the apology and where did he admit to a deception? Jim ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438/357 "2006-12-29T23:15:44Z")
**Caridwen** and **What Exit?** , no it wasn’t in this thread. His apology doesn’t exist. I’m sorry to be so confusing. I wish I hadn’t even pretended now. I posted what I was wishing I could post instead of this: This was posted today: > [@](#): > > **pseudo ruber ruber** : my Ph. D. is in English Literature, with a dissertation in Creative Writing. I wouldn’t want to get banned because Zoe keeps asserting I’m claiming to hold a doctorate “in” writing.) [This was posted October 15:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7869003&postcount=231) > [@](#): > > **pseudo ruber ruber** : I used to be a copyeditor before I went into teaching?Yes, Iwas hired to see that standards of English prose were being used at popular magazines, some of which I’m sure you read–imagine that! Terrifying, isn’t it?) > > This is one of the few tangible advantages of having a Ph. D. in writing and over fifty published pieces in popular and scholarly journals, and several books in print–you can just laugh when people get on their high horse and try to pretend that you don’t know how to write. (underscoring added) The rest of that particular post is revealing too. \_\_ "I think that my posts speak for themselves in terms of their clarity and substance… – **ruber ruber** ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438/358 "2006-12-29T23:24:34Z")
[QUOTE=Zoe] **Caridwen** and **What Exit?** , no it wasn’t in this thread. His apology doesn’t exist. I’m sorry to be so confusing. I wish I hadn’t even pretended now. I posted what I was wishing I could post instead of this: This was posted today: [This was posted October 15:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7869003&postcount=231) The rest of that particular post is revealing too. "I think that my posts speak for themselves in terms of their clarity and substance… – **ruber ruber** [/QUOTE] I must be slow, it almost seems like you are stalking \*\*Pseudo \*\* the way \*\*BC \*\* stalked **Poly**. I still cannot spot the deception. Maybe you could help the slow here and show me what you are talking about? Jim ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438/359 "2006-12-29T23:28:32Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] I must be slow, it almost seems like you are stalking \*\*Pseudo \*\* the way \*\*BC \*\* stalked **Poly**. I still cannot spot the deception. [/QUOTE] Zoe just pointed out a post where PRR claims to have a PHD in writing while today asserting that he never claimed that. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438/360 "2006-12-29T23:31:21Z")
[QUOTE=Eutychus] Zoe just pointed out a post where PRR claims to have a PHD in writing while today asserting that he never claimed that. [/QUOTE] Thank you, I am glad I said I was slow. 😉 Jim [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-why-was-ammonius-saccus-banned/385438.md?page=19)