# So... Will: Bottom, top, or "versatile." **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [May 16, 2003, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621 "2003-05-16T05:22:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2003, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621/1 "2003-05-16T05:22:41Z")
So, we may be going into the gay TMI universe, but after the current episode of Will and Grace, I’m wondering… You see, Will woke up with Jack in his bed. Now I think there’s a better chance that nothing happened, but it did get me to wondering. Jack’s quite obvious: SCREAMING BOTTOM. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. We always know our own. But then there’s Will. See, I don’t really percieve Will to be a top. He’s a bit too insecure. I’m having a difficult time seeing him as a bottom because of his control issues. Okay… I put versatile in quotes because most men I’ve met who call themselves versatile really mean: “I’m a bottom, but I’ll fuck you if I have to.” So, while I lean more towards top than versatile… what do you guys think? ---
**Author:** ![Tansu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/67e7ee/32.png) [@Tansu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tansu)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2003, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621/2 "2003-05-16T10:15:20Z")
I see him as a top, but not exclusively so. Insecure, strong need to be desired, but more top than bottom. Now, thinking about what would happen if fag-hags were fags, where’d you place Karen on the continuum, if she were a man? ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2003, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621/3 "2003-05-16T14:46:43Z")
Will’s truly versatile. Karen is the definition of a butch bottom. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2003, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621/4 "2003-05-16T16:01:45Z")
I think there’s a reason we never see Will really dating/hooking up: he’s none of the above. Maybe even a closet straight. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![voguevixen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b5ac83/32.png) [@voguevixen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voguevixen)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2003, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621/5 "2003-05-16T23:35:44Z")
I actually see Jack as being too hyper/frisky to remain in any one position for any length of time. I think he’d have to be the top so he could flail around as the conditions warrant. Heh. I can’t see Will actually having sex at all, with anybody. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621/6 "2003-05-17T07:32:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by voguevixen \* > \*\*I actually see Jack as being too hyper/frisky to remain in any one position for any length of time. I think he’d have to be the top so he could flail around as the conditions warrant. Heh. I can’t see Will actually having sex at all, with anybody. \*\* I agree with the Will hypothesis. Yet… Jack: Big Ol’ Bottom. _Really_. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![irishgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/8edcca/32.png) [@irishgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irishgirl)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621/7 "2003-05-17T10:17:01Z")
Did you see the show with Will’s ex long-term lover Michael (?) in it? Michael was older, cuter, and definitely Top. But yep, Will seems to be almost asexual. ---
**Author:** ![Priam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/77aa72/32.png) [@Priam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Priam)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621/8 "2003-05-17T14:32:02Z")
How does that saying go? “Will and Grace: The show about two straight couples that never sleep with eachother” ---
**Author:** ![scott\_evil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@scott\_evil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scott_evil)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621/9 "2003-05-17T17:14:36Z")
Will strikes me as one of those types who “doesn’t do anal” because of vestiges of homo self-loathing. ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621/10 "2003-05-17T17:32:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tansu \* > \*\*Now, thinking about what would happen if fag-hags were fags, where’d you place Karen on the continuum, if she were a man? \*\* Hell, what about Grace? There’s a woman who desperately needs it in both ends, if only to make her finally _shut up!_ Otherwise: Karen - Top. Jack - Giant, flaming Bottom. Will - Impotent. ---
**Author:** ![scott\_evil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@scott\_evil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scott_evil)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621/11 "2003-05-17T18:30:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lizard \* > \*\*Jack - Giant, flaming Bottom. > \*\* The term is **power bottom**. I should know: I’m married to one. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621/12 "2003-05-17T18:51:08Z")
Wasn’t that a **lieu** thread? ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621/13 "2003-05-17T19:08:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by scott evil \* > \*\*The term is **power bottom**. I should know: I’m married to one. \*\* Is that different than an überbottom? ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621/14 "2003-05-17T19:36:48Z")
> [@](#): > > Will strikes me as one of those types who “doesn’t do anal” because of vestiges of homo self-loathing. As opposed to those of us who “don’t do anal” (yet) because of vestiges of fucking OW. _i must, i must, i must relax my butt_ ---
**Author:** ![scott\_evil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@scott\_evil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scott_evil)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621/15 "2003-05-17T20:46:53Z")
**matt** , I mean those who won’t bottom _or_ top because having butt sex makes you _really_ gay. I’ve come across many. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621/16 "2003-05-17T23:38:14Z")
> [@](#): > > I’ve come across many. So many jokes…so…many…jokes… ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2003, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621/17 "2003-05-18T01:05:23Z")
Hmm, I’ve never really considered the question (not to mention that I’ve stopped watching the show because it conflicts with _CSI_). I see Will as heavily oral and not into anal at all. He’s too controlling to be a bottom and too squeamish to be a top, so he probably avoids the whole question. (or the hole question :D). In re **Scott Evil** ’s point: > [@](#): > > I mean those who won’t bottom or top because having butt sex makes you really gay. I’ve come across many. Same here. What’s worse are the guys (usually military) who will blow you but won’t kiss you because that’s “queer.” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Potter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Potter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Potter)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2003, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621/18 "2003-05-18T01:40:17Z")
Jack’s taste in pretty, young, boinkable boys suggests to me he’s not _entirely_ bottom. Will’s always struck me as someone who’d spoo in his shorts from giving you a hurried handjob then feel the need to shower immediately so he can scrub the man-filth from his body. Matt? Try not to be tense, darling. It is the most beautiful, natural thing in the world and I’m oiling the vegetables/shaving the donkey/mixing the cement in anticipation… ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Magic8ball](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Miss\_Magic8ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Magic8ball)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2003, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621/19 "2003-05-18T01:58:31Z")
Ok, I know that this is a hijack, and that you’l probably be wanting to smack me for my ignorance, But forgive me, I’ve lived a sheltered life and there aren’t very many gay guys in my highschool, and even less that are willing to talk about it. K, I understand how Gay guys have sex. But what I was kinda wondering (Yes, TMI, but I seriousely don’t know, otherwise I wouldn’t ask) _where does the bowel go?_ I know its kinda gross, but still… ever since I learned how it was that Gay people coupled, its been a question I haven’t been able to get anyone to answer… [/hijack] I think that seems to be the kind of guy that does both… and probably has toys, too. And WIll… impotent. All talk, no Fuck. ---
**Author:** ![scott\_evil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@scott\_evil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scott_evil)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2003, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621/20 "2003-05-18T03:06:42Z")
Where does the poop go? Didn’t this come up in a recent thread? I mean, the rectum isn’t filled with crap 24/7, ever-poised to erupt with fecal goodness! It’s, like… _up there, somewhere_! Perhaps someone else could take this one on. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-bottom-top-or-versatile/175621.md?page=2)