# So, would it kill you to accept same-sex marriage? Huh - apparently, it would. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 23, 2013, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115 "2013-05-23T13:39:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115/41 "2013-05-24T04:03:05Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I wonder if it was a Five Seven or a High Power? We have plenty of ballistic data on the latter, but this could provide some useful numbers if it was the former. I think we can rule out a Wad Cutter. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115/42 "2013-05-24T05:28:04Z")
From what I’ve read Venner wasn’t Catholic and actually an atheist. In addition he was doing this suicide in imitation of Japanese writer Yukio Mishima (who ironically was homosexual) who committed hara-kiri on himself after a failed coup. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115/43 "2013-05-24T05:57:01Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > I’m only concerned about one thing: whether the bullet or skull fragments flew off and damaged one of those gorgeous rose windows. > > And I’m sure this event will give all same-sex weddings in Notre Dame a bit more poignancy. There won’t be any same sex wedding there. Not until the Roman Catholic Church says OK. This is a huge fear of opponents of SSM. When you explain that it won’t happen in their church, providing their church doesn’t allow it, most people are OK. Notre Dame is the center of Paris, the heart of it. This is a deeply offensive thing to do. About the worst you can do short of trying to overthrow the government and start a repressive regime. ---
**Author:** ![usedtobe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@usedtobe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usedtobe)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115/44 "2013-05-24T06:53:28Z")
I saw exactly one mention of a quote from someone who knew (but did not agree with) him that he knew he was going to die a painful death soon ---
**Author:** ![MickNickMaggies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/59ef9b/32.png) [@MickNickMaggies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MickNickMaggies)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115/45 "2013-05-24T07:10:01Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > There won’t be any same sex wedding there. Not until the Roman Catholic Church says OK. There won’t be any weddings there. Notre Dame de Paris doesn’t do them. It isn’t a parish anymore, and while it can celebrate masses, it doesn’t do weddings, funerals or baptisms. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115/46 "2013-05-24T07:13:16Z")
Foudn this on a French web-site: [Le dernier coup d’un routard d’extrême droite](http://www.liberation.fr/societe/2013/05/21/le-dernier-coup-d-un-routard-d-extreme-droite_904649): > [@](#): > > «Un geste de désespoir autant qu’un geste politique, explique un proche. Dominique Venner se savait condamné par une longue et douloureuse maladie, mais il a voulu donner un sens à sa sortie.» My translation: “A gesture of despair as much as a political gesture,” explained a close friend. “Dominique Venner knew that he was fated to have a long and painful illness, but he wanted to give some meaning to his departure.” ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115/47 "2013-05-24T07:29:00Z")
> [@MickNickMaggies](#): > > There won’t be any weddings there. Notre Dame de Paris doesn’t do them. It isn’t a parish anymore, and while it can celebrate masses, it doesn’t do weddings, funerals or baptisms. How about lap dances? ---
**Author:** ![MickNickMaggies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/59ef9b/32.png) [@MickNickMaggies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MickNickMaggies)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115/48 "2013-05-24T07:59:03Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > How about lap dances? Not in my experience. Nor do they like Dan Brown fans very much. Hell of a buffet, thought. ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115/49 "2013-05-24T08:10:29Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > And then of course, one day later came a classy display from the opposition > > [Topless protest with simulated pistolsucking at the Altar](http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/22/femen-mock-suicide-notre-dame) > (Legitimate media, spoilered for potentially NSFW visual depending on how rigid your worplace’s rules.) Wow. That’s both tacky and in extremely poor taste, referring to the toplessness and pistol-in-the-mouth respectively. I support same-sex marriage, but damn. That’s offensive. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115/50 "2013-05-24T08:23:38Z")
The protest seemed to be at least in part against his fascism and terrorism, not just his opposition to same sex marriage. It’s not surprising that there’s a lot of people who want to do the equivalent of pissing on his grave. ---
**Author:** ![tufaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eb9ed0/32.png) [@tufaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tufaw)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115/51 "2013-05-24T08:38:23Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > I wonder what his last words were? > > “Don’t just stand there, help me find my _nose_…!” Ouch ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115/52 "2013-05-24T18:07:51Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Foudn this on a French web-site: [Le dernier coup d’un routard d’extrême droite](http://www.liberation.fr/societe/2013/05/21/le-dernier-coup-d-un-routard-d-extreme-droite_904649): > > My translation: “A gesture of despair as much as a political gesture,” explained a close friend. “Dominique Venner knew that he was fated to have a long and painful illness, but he wanted to give some meaning to his departure.” A more idiomatic rephrasing: “A gesture of despair as much as a political one. Dominique Venner knew he had an illness which was bound to be long and painful and he wanted his departure to mean something.” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115/53 "2013-05-24T18:09:31Z")
Unfortunately the meaning was “I’m a bigoted and selfish asshole.” ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115/54 "2013-05-24T18:11:40Z")
Or, “hey, most people don’t know me from Adam, but now they will. HAH! I’m actually using SSM to get my fifteen minutes of glory, rather than being yet another sad bum who commits suicide rather than go slowly.” ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115/55 "2013-05-24T22:55:00Z")
And of course the only thing making it “news” to any extent beyond the merely local was his choice of venue. ISTM suicide in his drawing room would have passed largely unnoticed, and doing so on the train platform at Chatelet-Les Halles during rush hour would have been far more disruptive to the citizenry but unlikely to generate the same kind of counter-demonstration – those wanting to “piss on his grave” would have probably limited themselves to planning to, well, \*piss on \*his grave. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2013, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115/56 "2013-05-25T15:08:18Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > The protest seemed to be at least in part against his fascism and terrorism, not just his opposition to same sex marriage. It’s not surprising that there’s a lot of people who want to do the equivalent of pissing on his grave. Not surprising, no, but only because people are stupid. If you want to desecrate something because of him, why not something that, you know, actually belonged to him? Not that said desecration accomplishes anything. He’s dead. If his beliefs are correct, he’s either in hell or a really long limbo. If not, he’s, well, dead. There’s no purpose in doing anything, other than your own selfish satisfaction and getting your fifteen minutes of fame. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2013, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115/57 "2013-05-25T15:12:12Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > He will be missed. By someone. Probably? Probably the pool boy. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2013, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115/58 "2013-05-25T16:39:28Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > Notre Dame is the center of Paris, the heart of it. This is a deeply offensive thing to do. About the worst you can do short of trying to overthrow the government and start a repressive regime. Well, he was a member of the OAS in the '60s. Must have been going for a double-double. > [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > How about lap dances? Only if you’re an altar boy. ---
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2013, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115/59 "2013-05-26T15:51:56Z")
I read the headline to Mr. Singular, and he said "we need more like that ". That’s my man! ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2013, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115/60 "2013-05-26T22:16:06Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > If his beliefs are correct, he’s either in hell or a really long limbo. Limbo is a Catholic concept, so he wouldn’t be there if his beliefs were correct. I think Christianity was too foreign for him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-would-it-kill-you-to-accept-same-sex-marriage-huh-apparently-it-would/659115.md?page=2)