# So you killed your kid while cleaning your gun. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2013, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020 "2013-03-26T17:03:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020/121 "2013-03-27T23:01:12Z")
That’s it! That’s the ticket! Just offer the insurance companies totally gross profit on firearm insurance. 'Course, we yank it back once we get what we want, because freedom. And fuck 'em. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020/122 "2013-03-27T23:08:16Z")
Who knew guns were dangerous?? I thought they were a right! I should be careful with guns?? Who knew?!? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020/123 "2013-03-27T23:13:46Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Who knew guns were dangerous?? I thought they were a right! I should be careful with guns?? Who knew?!? I read on the internet about these four weird tricks for gun safety. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020/124 "2013-03-27T23:24:19Z")
And please don’t get me wrong, I have genuine sympathy for this man. And it has been said on this thread that the poor bastard has to live with this. But this country is so fucked up! Picture this, he didn’t shoot his kid, he had his kid in a car…and he was driving drunk, and killed his kid. Fuck no, no sympathy for that guy. The kid would be just as dead, of course. American hypocrisy, and feigned sympathy are funny buggers. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020/125 "2013-03-27T23:26:07Z")
There is no such thing as a shotgun so dirty that cleaning it can’t be put off until there isn’t a 10 y/o in the room. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020/126 "2013-03-27T23:26:20Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I read on the internet about these four weird tricks for gun safety. Was that the one from the local mom? ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020/127 "2013-03-27T23:33:59Z")
Really? You have to register to drive a car, have it renewed regularly, people seem to manage somehow. I mean shouldn’t gun ownership be at least as difficult as car ownership? Just like cars it will cost more to insure more guns. Assault weapons would cost more like a Bentley costs more to insure. It seems somewhat obvious. Bonus points for serving up more profits for poor insurance companies losing out to Obamacare! If the state can force people to carry car insurance, so innocent people run down in the street have recourse for medical bills, time lost from work, support for the family so they don’t end up homeless, shouldn’t gun ownership come with similar responsibility? I’m sure every gun owner believes THEY would never, have a gun stolen, handle it unsafely, store it improperly, etc. The innocent neighbour, who’s child gets shot ‘accidentally’ deserves the same recourse, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020/128 "2013-03-27T23:42:00Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Was that the one from the local mom? Yeah, until she shot herself in the vagina. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020/129 "2013-03-27T23:48:54Z")
> [@Mr.Duality](#): > > Yes they can, rarely. > [http://news.yahoo.com/remington-model-700-rifle-fire-without-trigger-pull-220626668.html](http://news.yahoo.com/remington-model-700-rifle-fire-without-trigger-pull-220626668.html) That’s not what happened in this case. He did not have this potentially defective model of rifle. He had a regular shotgun with a regular trigger. And yeah, there are ways the trigger can get pulled by accident, meaning a for-real accident. Like, a tree branch slips into the trigger guard and pulls the trigger. That could happen. That’s not what happened in this case. The man pointed a loaded shotgun at his kid’s head and pulled the trigger. Just like when Dick Cheney accidentally shot his buddy in the face, what happened was that Dick Cheney pointed a loaded shotgun at his buddy and pulled the trigger. That’s how accidental shootings invariably happen. Any gun owners disagree? Because if you disagree, you must believe that guns sometimes just go off at random. I’m not a gun owner, but I know enough about guns to know that they don’t go off at random, they go off when you load them and pull the trigger, and the bullet goes in the direction the gun is pointing. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020/130 "2013-03-28T01:31:47Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Yeah, until she shot herself in the vagina. Pics, or it didn’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020/131 "2013-03-28T01:40:14Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Isn’t that what you’d prefer? Of course not. I’m against anything that increases the cost of gun ownership, and I think poor minorities deserve the right to defend themselves the same as anyone else. How about you? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020/132 "2013-03-28T01:42:18Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Those who are likely to be handling a firearm should be given firearm safety education. What percent of US citizens do you think will handle a firearm in their lifetime? My guess 70-80%. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020/133 "2013-03-28T01:44:26Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > So what? They’re statistically priced out of a lot of things. > > The 2nd Amendment guarantees access, not an affirmative duty of the government to ensure you can always get a gun. So I think people in poorer communities have as much or more need to defend themselves as anyone else. Also I don’t think you should have to buy insurance to exercise your constitutional rights. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020/134 "2013-03-28T01:45:41Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Could we implement a universal gun education program developed by the CDC? How about an abstinence-only gun education program? 🙂 How effective is teaching abstinence only for sex education? From what I understand it don’t work too well. Am I wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020/135 "2013-03-28T02:00:27Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Why would there be any problem with the price of liability insurance for weapons? As everybody knows, guns make people totally safer in their homes. Well the famous gun control advocate Kellerman did show those with rifles and shotguns in their homes were at a lesser risk for homicide. He didn’t play that aspect up in the conclusion of his study however. > [@](#): > > 'Course, the insurance companies would probably want to do some research on the question, get their actuarial tables to reflect reality. Millions of dollars on the line, they would go the extra mile to get the objective facts. ‘Course insurance companies make a tidy profit by charging more than the risk they cover so fuck em’. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020/136 "2013-03-28T02:03:56Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > There is no such thing as a shotgun so dirty that cleaning it can’t be put off until there isn’t a 10 y/o in the room. I don’t think there is anything wrong with cleaning a shotgun with a 10 y/o in the room. Just unload it first, and don’t point it at him whether it is loaded or not. ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020/137 "2013-03-28T02:05:56Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Was that the one from the local mom? Yes, and anti-gun people hate her. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020/138 "2013-03-28T02:06:09Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > I blame this incident on Joe Biden, who encouraged people to buy a shotgun instead of an assault rifle and just shoot through the door. The boy probably felt safer being in the same room as the shotgun rather than being on the other side of the door. > > [http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/02/28/biden-advises-shooting-shotgun-through-door](http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/02/28/biden-advises-shooting-shotgun-through-door) Good point! If only the current administration had a clue about gun safety. Of course Cheney shot an old man in the face so you can’t say much in favor of the prior administration either. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020/139 "2013-03-28T02:06:49Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Well the famous gun control advocate Kellerman did show those with rifles and shotguns in their homes were at a lesser risk for homicide. He didn’t play that aspect up in the conclusion of his study however. Education on this misrepresentation was provided on the SDMB just in the past couple of months. That was a bivariate, uncontrolled relationship. It was not “played up” in the conclusion because it didn’t hold in the final model. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020/140 "2013-03-28T02:08:49Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > Just like cars it will cost more to insure more guns. Assault weapons would cost more like a Bentley costs more to insure. Why? You can only shoot one gun at at time and “Assault weapons” are rarely involved in accidents and homicides. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-you-killed-your-kid-while-cleaning-your-gun/654020.md?page=8)