Soccer ... *YAWN*

It would not.

Anyone who has had to play on a full-size pitch with not enough players will tell you it is a bloody nightmare and no fun for the players or the spectators. 6 a side on a pitch that size is a non-starter.

I normally play on a pitch that is optimised for 7-9 players. Any more than that it is too crowded, any fewer and there is too much space.

The nature of the sport demands a match-up of players to pitch size and the world over the game is scaled to fit the pitch dimensions and number of players available.

I played halfback in high school and I had to run all over the place as it was to cover the field. If we had fewer players that would’ve been a nightmare. I’d never play soccer like that, unless they shrunk the field.

10 vs 10 could be OK, and even 9 vs 9 might do, but six is far too few for a field of that size. Although if there were far more substitution allowed, then that could address the fatigue issue.

What “fatigue” issue? Soccer players routinely play a full 90 min., with only the one 15 min. halftime break. Discounting 'keepers, who don’t do that much running, and assuming three outfield substitutions, that’s 7 players on each side that run upwards of 5 miles (often closer to 7 or 8) during that time frame, and yet, at the end of the game, are hustling back as fast as they can to cover or attack. Are they tired? Yeah. Do they get so tired that it makes the game poor? No.

Look, take it from one who has played. Playing under-manned on a large pitch is brutal. There is so much more ground to cover and so many more of your runs have to be sprints. It is an absolute killer. The fatigue factor does not scale in a linear fashion.

I think he meant a fatigue issue in a 6v6 match.

Sorry, didn’t realize you were talking about the fatigue of playing undermanned on a full-size pitch. Yeah, that’s quite fatiguing. It’s similar to what happens to the poor referee who has to officiate U-19 games with club linemen; you end up running quite a bit more than normal. 9 v 9 is very hard to do, as I can attest from my days coaching high school soccer and having the players train like that from time to time. :smiley:

I had to reread each paragraph several times to understand what they meant, and the specific vocabulary made it even more confusing. And…sorry, but I’m still as clueless as before.

I think your explanation still wasn’t basic enough and that you’re still assuming knowledge on my part that I don’t have. I really know nothing about this game, including the most basic elements that probably seem so obvious to you that you didn’t mention them.

For instance, after reading this, I still don’t know how points are scored. You said that “one play is one ball being tossed at one of the opposing side” so that would make me assume that you score points by tossing a ball at the other team. But you also write " the batsman are the players in the middle with the bat and are the ones attempting to score" so it seems to mean that the batsman is the one scoring. And whichever the correct one, I still have no clue how either would score a point. And similarly I’ve no clue what either is trying to do.

So, one guy is launching the ball at the other who has a bat and hits the ball. Why do they do that? Do you score if the guy with the bat miss the ball (like, say, in tennis)? If he hits the ball? Does the guy with the bat tries to send the ball to a specific place to score (like, say, the goals in soccer?). Why are people running in the small square and what does it have to do with scoring, if anything? Are only a couple people playing at a time while the rest of each team isn’t involved at all or are they doing something to help scoring/prevent scoring?
The explanation following yours listing the differences with baseball were useless to me because I’m equally clueless about baseball. Here too, there’s someone launching a ball, someone hitting it (same team or opposite teams, I don’t know) and someone running, and I don’t know what any of these people are trying to do and how points are scored.

I’ve had to do that (the Ref bit).

Yeah.

If i ever CR again, it will be on U-Little fields or on U14’s where they are baffled by the size of the pitch (in the USA).

One thing missing (I think, this discussion is up to 3 pages now on my browser) is a mention of the substitution rules.

US youth soccer up through at least high school is a fast-break game played at a high tempo, because when players get tired, you sub them out (unless they are center backs–DOG, never take your center-backs out).

Real adult soccer is played with limited subs, so a crucial part of the game is like a fuel-mileage (or F1) race in auto racing–when, where, and how do I expend my limited amount of energy to the best effect. When to run and when to just slow-jog around is a crucial part of the game.

Did anyone watch Belgium vs. Japan yesterday?

The second half was one of the most nail-biting and exciting I’ve ever seen in any sport. :eek:

Match report
“It will go down as a World Cup classic, a wild and chaotic game that will be talked about in years to come…”

If you want to see soccer at its best watch this.

Don’t worry about it, it is a heck of a challenge to grasp, from a completely standing start, a game as potentially confusing as cricket. But is a good challenge for those who would seek to explain it simply.

The basics are that you have two teams (of course) of 11 players.

In the most simple version of the game each team gets a turn with the bat to try and score runs (those are the 2 guys in the middle of the pitch, holding bats, one **run **= one added to the score)

whilst the other team is fielding and bowling and trying to get those batsmen out (those are the 11 guys standing around and not holding bats).

That turn ends when either the allotted number of balls have been **bowled **(again, in the simple forms of the game that would be 300 balls)
or…when 10 batsmen have been got “out”. The reason it is 10 rather than 11 is because there always has to be two batsmen so once the 10th man is out, game over.

e.g. team A bats first, they have 300 balls **bowled **at them and score 275 runs and they only had 6 batsmen out (Had they lost their 10th batsmen after only facing 280 balls and scoring say 240 **runs **then their turn would have ended at that point instead) so now it is time for them let Team B bat.

Team A would now be fielding and **bowling **and Team B would be batting. Team B will also have 300 balls to try and score more **runs **than Team A got on their turn. Team A on the other hand will be trying their hardest to prevent Team B scoring those runs.

Highest number of **runs **wins. (The speed at which you score those **runs **or the number of batsmen **out **is irrelevant)

That’s the very basic principle. If that sort-of makes some sense then we can elaborate further on how the **bowling **is organised and how the batsmen can score **runs **or be got “out”.

The match between Japan and Belgium was pretty interesting

With all due respect to my curiously-hatted compatriot, I’d like to try a different approach to explaining how the game of cricket works.

The game of cricket is usually played on a big field, typically round (or roughly so) in shape, with the edge of the entire playing area encircled by a boundary line. This is delineated by a continuous stripe of paint along the ground, or a rope lying on the ground, running all the way around the field.

During play, there will be one team of 11 players standing at various places around the field. They are known as the fielding team. Most of the positions they can stand at have faintly ridiculous names like “silly mid-off” and “short leg”, but you don’t need to worry about those whatsoever. The captain of the fielding team tells all the other players on his team where he would like them to stand. Their job is to catch or stop the ball if it comes near them, if they can.

Roughly in the middle of the field is a strip of grass about 2 yards wide and 22 yards (~20 metres) long that is cut much shorter than the surrounding grass, so much so that it usually takes on a yellow or brown colour. This is known as the pitch. At each end are a set of stumps - these consist of three slim wooden posts stuck in the ground, each with two smaller pieces of wood resting on top (known as ‘bails’).

Two players on the fielding team have very specific, additional roles. The most important is the bowler. He is the one who bowls (basically, throws - but keeping his arm straight) the ball from one end of the pitch towards the batsman (a player from the other team holding a bat who stands at the other end of the pitch - more on him in a moment). He will do this after a run up which will usually be long if he intends to bowl the ball fast, or short if he intends to bowl the ball slowly. He has to let go of the ball before his feet cross lines marked at one end of the pitch. The other special person on the fielding team stands behind the stumps, behind the batsman, at the opposite end from the bowler. He is the only person on the fielding team allowed to wear gloves, and his job is to stop or catch the ball if it goes past the batsman. He is called the wicketkeeper.

The basic job of the bowler (and the rest of the fielding team) is to try to get the batsman ‘out’. This can be accomplished in various ways. The simplest is for the bowler to bowl the ball and hit the stumps. The first job of the batsman is therefore to stop the ball hitting the stumps, which he may only do with his bat. If he does so with his leg (or any other body part, other than a hand holding his bat), it is known as ‘leg-before-wicket’ and he will be ‘out’ for that anyway (note that various exceptions can apply). The other most common way of getting out is if the batsman hits the ball and someone on the fielding team catches it before it hits the ground. So the batsman will generally try to hit the ball along the ground and/or away from the fielders, to prevent this. When a batsman is ‘out’ he walks off the field and one of his team-mates comes on to take his place. Once the tenth batsman is out then it is the end of that team’s turn at batting (because there must always be 2 out of the 11 players in a team batting at the same time).

The second job of the batsman is to score points (known as ‘runs’) for his team (the fielding team never score runs - they are simply trying to get the batting side out before they score any, or for as few as possible). The batsman can do this by hitting the ball, and then running from one end of the pitch to the other. They don’t have to run every time they hit the ball, only when they choose to. You will notice there are always two batsmen on the pitch at any one time - the other one starts at the same end of the pitch as the bowler, and just runs to the other end as required. If they swap ends in this way, they also swap roles for the next ‘ball’ (which is the next time the bowler bowls the ball towards the batsman).

Batsmen are allowed to run up and down as many times as they like (crossing over with each other each time), and each time they do so, a ‘run’ is scored and added to the total. However, if the fielding team manages to hit the stumps with the ball before the batsmen gets there, that batsman is ‘out’ and does not score that run. So it is only possible to run up and down a few times before it becomes too risky. Typically the highest number of times the batsmen can do this before the fielding side retrieves the ball is 3.

If the batsman hits a shot that evades all the fielders and hits or crosses the boundary around the edge of the field, that is an automatic score of 4 runs. And if he does the same but without the ball hitting the ground, it is automatically 6 runs.

Play continues in this fashion until all the batsmen on one team (except one) are ‘out’, then all their runs are added together to make that team’s total. Then the batting team swaps with the fielding team and the whole things starts again, with the new batting team trying to score more runs than the previous batting team managed. If they do, then they win, and if all of them are out before they do so, then the team that batted first wins.

Howzat?

I have to second this. By far the most exciting soccer game I’ve ever watched. And a stark contrast to the previous day’s Spain-Russia game, in which the Spanish strategy seemed to be “Bore the Russians to death and then attempt to score against their dead bodies.”

TBF to the Russians, their strategy was to park the bus and hope for PKs. They had no chance to beat Spain in a free flowing match. These teams are here to win; not to entertain.

That’s way better. Now I get it, roughly.

I still have a couple questions :

  • So, once the batter has hit the ball, he’s going to run up and down as fast as he can
    while the other team members try to retrieve the ball as quickly as possible and give it back to the bowler (I assume he’s the only one allowed to “hit the stumps”?). How does the ball come back to the bowler? They thrown it to him? Bring it to him?

-I’m unclear about the job of the wicketkeeper. Why would he want to catch the ball exactly and why does it matter?

-About the ball crossing the boundary : wouldn’t there be some expected, usual level of strength for the team member, meaning that the ball would almost always or almost never cross the boundary? I mean, unless it’s a nearly impossible feat, wouldn’t every team member be expected to be strong enough to be able to send the ball outside the boundary pretty much every time he hits it?

No any player can touch and throw the ball after its been bowled (meaning sent down to the batsman).

The nature of the play. The area directly behind the batsman is protected by the keeper. Also if the batsman touches the ball with his bat as it goes behind of mishts it, he can catch it.

Its between 80-110 meters. A top level batsmen should have no problem getting it over the boundry.

The bowler makes the initial bowl but once that has happened and the ball is “in play” so to speak then anyone on the fielding team can hit the stumps and get a batsman out.
Of course the stumps are a small target and the closer you can get to them them the better chance of hitting and so you may see the ball being thrown back to bowler or wicket keeper (who normally stay closer to the stumps) but that doesn’t have to happen. You can see plenty of long range stump-hits from fielders on youtube.

on plenty of occasions the batsman might get a slight nick on the ball rather than a full hit and those cases the ball might fly behind at speed and the WK can take a lot of catches that way.
Also, sometimes the batsman will advance down the pitch to hit a slow spinning ball, he will be out of his ground at that point and if he misses the ball the WK can catch it and quickly hit the stumps to get the batsman out.
In relation to your first question, When the batsman are running the WK will position themselves near to the stumps to give the fielders a nice big target to throw at and increase the chance of getting a batsman out.

In cricket there are a huge variety of shots that can be played and all of them come with a variety of risks. The short answer to your question is yes, each batsman has easily enough strength to get the ball to the boundary every time. The reality though is that the fielding team try to ensure that the risk/reward equation is in their favour. They will positions their fielders in such a way as to block off an easy route for the batsman’s preferred shots and bowl in such a way to force the batsman into either playing a lower scoring (and “safer” shot) or, tempt them into something more exotic, either a higher shot (going over the fielders and risking a catch) or a more powerful and faster shot (to beat the fielders and give them less time to react but run a higher risk of mis-timing it )

And that’s the simple answer but the battle between batsman, bowler and fielding positions has a world of nuance all of it’s own.

ETA, what AK84 said.

When do they break for tea?

In a one-day game there may be a break in between the two innings that coincide with a late lunch or tea. For the full-fat five day test there are specific lunch and tea intervals around 12:30 - 13:00 and 16:00-ish, it can vary though.

For the classic village game that many of us amateurs are used to, the interval is very important. The quality of the scones, sandwiches and cake is critical, almost as critical as getting a pint delivered to you as you field far out on the boundary.