Social security to folks in Mexico?

Well, here is the SS site,
http://www.ssa.gov/glossary.htm#Q

And it says:

*How long do you have to work to qualify for Social Security?
The number of credits you need to be eligible for benefits depends on your age and the type of benefit.

Retirement benefits
Anyone born in 1929 or later needs 10 years of work (40 credits) to be eligible for retirement benefits. People born before 1929 need fewer years of work.*

Thus, as I mentioned before, a person who works for 40 years is no better off, SS benefit wise, than a person who only worked 10 years.
Lets talk SSI Bennies: Again, from the SSA administration page: This one for non citizens:

*Can a non-citizen receive Supplemental Security Income benefits?

Answer
A noncitizen may receive Supplementary Security Income (SSI) if he or she meets the requirements of the laws for noncitizens that went into effect on August 22, 1996 and all the other requirements for SSI eligibility, such as the limits on income and resources. In general, beginning August 22, 1996, most noncitizens must meet 2 requirements to be potentially eligible for SSI:

  1. Be in a “qualified alien” category, and
  2. Meet a condition that allows qualified aliens to get SSI.

There are 8 categories of “qualified aliens.” The categories are:

  1. Lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the U.S. (“LAPR”), including certain “Amerasian immigrants”:
  2. “Conditional Entrants” under the law in effect before April 1,1980;
  3. Paroled into the U.S. for certain reasons for a period of one year or more;
  4. Refugee;
  5. Granted asylum;
  6. Deportation or removal is being withheld for certain reasons;
  7. Cuban and Haitian entrant under the Refugee Education and Assistance Act of 1980; or
  8. One of certain aliens who have been subjected to battery or extreme cruelty or whose child or parent has been subjected to battery or extreme cruelty.

A “qualified alien” is potentially eligible for SSI if he or she meets one of the following conditions:

  1. Was receiving SSI on August 22, 1996 and is lawfully residing in the U.S.;
  2. Is lawfully admitted for permanent residence and has 40 qualifying quarters of work. Work done by a spouse or parent may be counted toward the 40 quarters of work. Some restrictions may apply if the noncitizen or the working spouse or parent received certain Federally funded benefits after December 31, 1996;

IMPORTANT: If you entered the U.S. on or after 8/22/96, then you may not be eligible for SSI for the first five years as an LAPR even if you have 40 qualifying quarters of earnings.

  1. Is an active duty member of the U.S. armed forces, one of certain honorably discharged veterans, or one of certain dependents of U.S. military personnel;
  2. Was lawfully residing in the United States on August 22, 1996 and is blind or disabled;
  3. Filed for SSI within 7 years of being granted status as a refugee, asylee, Cuban and Haitian entrant, Amerasian Immigrant, or deportation or removal is being withheld. A qualified alien in one of these categories may be eligible for a maximum of 7 years from the date status was granted. If a qualified alien in one of these categories also meets one of the conditions listed above, then SSI can continue beyond the 7- year period.

In addition to qualified aliens who must meet a condition for eligibility, there are certain categories of noncitizens who are exempt from the August 22, 1996 laws for noncitizens, and thus are potentially eligible for SSI. These categories include certain Canadian-born American Indians and noncitizen members of a Federally recognized American Indian tribe.

A noncitizen may also be eligible under certain circumstances if the Department of Health and Human Services determines that he or she meets the requirements of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000.

Your local Social Security office can tell you whether you are eligible. For more information, you may want to call our toll-free number, 1-800-772-1213, and ask for our fact sheet called “Supplemental Security Income for Noncitizens,” publication number 05-11051. This is also available on the Internet at http://www.socialsecurity.gov/pubs/11051.html

You may also wish to read our material on “alien eligibility” in the booklet, “Understanding SSI” and in the SSI Spotlight on this subject:

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/notices/supplemental-security-income/text-understanding-ssi.htm#eligible
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This one for children:

*How does a child qualify for disability benefits?

Question
How does a child qualify for disability benefits?

Answer
There are two Social Security disability programs that include children.

Under the Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program, a child from birth to age 18 may receive monthly payments based on disability (or blindness) if:

he or she has an impairment or combination of impairments that meets the definition of disability for children;and
the income and resources of the parents and the child are within the allowed limits.

Under the Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) program, an adult child age 18 and older may receive monthly benefits based on disability (or blindness) if:

he or she has an impairment or combination of impairments that meets the definition of disability for adults;
the disability began before age 22; and
the adult child’s parent worked long enough to be insured under Social Security and is receiving retirement or disability benefits or is deceased.

Under both of these programs, the child must be unable to do any “substantial” work because of a medical condition that has lasted or is expected either to last for at least 12 months or to result in death. For persons who are not blind, a job that pays $810 or more per month is usually considered “substantial”. If you are blind substantial amount is $1,350.

The Disability Starter Kit will help you get ready for your disability interview or online application. Kits are available for adults and for children under age 18.

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Well, if you only worked for 10 years, then out of your 35 best years, your earnings in 25 of them will be nil, won’t they? And that’s going to depress the average over the 35 years quite a bit, isn’t it?

UDS, you are figuring it the wrong way.

What they do is figure your 10 best earning years. Now, this could be on a person who only worked 10 years, or it could be for a person who worked 50 years. The result is the same. Those ten years are what you need to qualify, and those 10 years are what they base retirement bennies on. So, in other words, they pick the top paying ten years, and throw the rest away.

This is from the social security website under “How are myretirement benefits calculated”

Your income is averaged for the thirty-five years in which you earned the most. If you only had income ten years, then the other twenty-five the years the income will be zero, and those twenty five years of zero income are still included in the average. Just because a person is eligible for a benefit after ten years doesn’t mean it will be the same benefit as he or she would get with twenty five or thirty five . It just means you don’t get any benefit at all if you worked fewer than 10 years. Your statement is almost opposite what really happens- in the case of someone who pays in from 22-67 ( the age I will have to be to get a full benefit), that person will have paid in for 45 years, meaning the ten lowest years will be disregarded.