# Socialite Rebecca Grossman convicted two counts of gross vehicular manslaughter **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 24, 2024, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035 "2024-02-24T18:35:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035/21 "2024-02-24T20:59:06Z")
Agreed. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035/22 "2024-02-24T21:26:29Z")
I just used Google Maps to figure out exactly how far down my street … 254 feet is. I got a tear in my eye. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035/23 "2024-02-24T21:52:43Z")
The mother’s testimony is compelling. She and her remaining child are lucky to be alive. The context is important too. Sept. 29, 2020 was early covid when people were isolated at home and their main activity was going outside to walk and exercise. Link [Rebecca Grossman murder trial: Mother of boys killed in Westlake Village crash testifies - ABC7 Los Angeles](https://abc7.com/rebecca-grossman-murder-trial-nancy-iskander-mother-testifies/14371338/) > [@](#): > > Around the same time as the alleged speeding, Iskander says she entered a crosswalk with her youngest son, Zachary, by her side. The two older boys, Mark, 11, and Jacob, 8, were a little over an arm’s length behind, she said. > > She and each of the boys were on wheels of some sort, between rollerblades, a skateboard and a scooter. Iskander said she was motivated to get the boys out of the house and spend time at the lake amid the pandemic. > > While just over halfway through the crosswalk, Iskander testified seeing and hearing the two speeding vehicles. She described one, a black SUV, as slightly ahead of the other, a white SUV. Iskander says she waved but in a split decision grabbed her youngest son and dove toward the direction they were traveling. In her testimony, she stated she sees the vision of the front black bumper every night. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035/24 "2024-02-24T21:55:08Z")
It’s about 85 yards. That’s just 5 yards longer than a kickoff return at the 20 yard line to goal. And calling that site propaganda is absolutely correct. Evidently they posted video presumably showing the children getting hit. WTF, YouTube? I am curious why the person racing with her was not also charged. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035/25 "2024-02-24T22:01:40Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I am curious why the person racing with her was not also charged. He was charged with a misdemeanor but it was dropped after he agreed to make some public announcement or service or something. Dude used to pitch in the major league. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035/26 "2024-02-24T22:27:10Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Technically her alcohol level, under California law. > > It varies from state to state. No it doesn’t. It’s .08 in _every_ state. Not sure why you’re trying to make it seem like the DWI laws in CA are unique. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035/27 "2024-02-24T22:28:07Z")
I think Utah is more strict. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035/28 "2024-02-24T22:30:20Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > I think Utah is more strict. - > > ~Max Went into effect in 2018. > **[New .05 BAC Law | DPS – Highway Safety](https://highwaysafety.utah.gov/drive-sober/new-05-bac-law/)** > > New .05 BAC Law ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035/29 "2024-02-24T22:34:11Z")
Yeah, everywhere else though, 0.08 BAC (for adults). ~Max _corrected as noted_ ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035/30 "2024-02-24T22:43:25Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Yeah, everywhere else though, 0.8 BAC (for adults). - > > ~Max [error correction] .08[/error correction.] ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035/31 "2024-02-24T22:44:34Z")
What I’m about to say in no way excuses her for what happened. She killed 2 children due to her negligence and she needs to account for it. But they had a better defense with the car she was driving. They weren’t racing in the classical sense of street racing. Her car was capable of significantly higher speeds. It would accelerate from 35 to 80 quickly with a touch of the throttle with no massive sense of acceleration. For all practical purposes 80 feels like 35 and it’s likely they were passing through town unobstructed on the main thoroughfare. If she threw herself on her sword she might have fought the malice argument. Not much sympathy from me for killing 2 kids. I regularly drive through a lot of small towns where the speed limit changes and I’m highly focused on where that occurs. I imagine a significant number of drivers blow through them without realizing when the zone changes. Particularly at night. The headlines stand out more when the word “socialite” is used but she could have been any schmuck driving through town and the negligence would have been the same. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035/32 "2024-02-24T22:47:39Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I imagine a significant number of drivers blow through them without realizing when the zone changes. Particularly at night. I’m lead to believe the intersection was within viewing distance of defendant’s house, as defendant’s daughter testified to walking out from the house and seeing her mother in the immediate aftermath. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035/33 "2024-02-24T22:52:52Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > For all practical purposes 80 feels like 35 and it’s likely they were passing through town unobstructed on the main thoroughfare. - Bullshit. There’s a vast difference in the view of passing scenery and road between the two speeds. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035/34 "2024-02-24T22:53:51Z")
Her prior speeding issues just added knots to her noose. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035/35 "2024-02-24T23:13:49Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Bullshit. There’s a vast difference in the view of passing scenery and road between the two speeds. I’m not going to argue with you because it becomes a defense of Grossman. But I have 3 cars and there is a VAST difference in the sensation of speed between the 3 of them. Scenery is not a sensation. It’s a visual cue. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035/36 "2024-02-24T23:18:05Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > > [@running\_coach](#): > > > > Bullshit. There’s a vast difference in the view of passing scenery and road between the two speeds. > > I’m not going to argue with you because it becomes a defense of Grossman. But I have 3 cars and there is a VAST difference in the sensation of speed between the 3 of them. Scenery is not a sensation. It’s a visual cue. - Unless she was driving with her eyes shut, sensation doesn’t come into play when determining speed. No shit it’s a visual clue. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035/37 "2024-02-24T23:19:09Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > For all practical purposes 80 feels like 35 …What? There’s a very, very, noticeable difference. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035/38 "2024-02-24T23:21:00Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > > [@Magiver](#): > > > > For all practical purposes 80 feels like 35 > > …What? There’s a very, very, noticeable difference. - _Looks at username_ Implied expertise checks out. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035/39 "2024-02-24T23:40:37Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Unless she was driving with her eyes shut, sensation doesn’t come into play when determining speed. > No shit it’s a visual clue. I was talking about the sensation of speed. There’s a speedometer that registers speed which she should have been using. I’m pretty sure everybody who has ever driven a car has inadvertently found themselves speeding despite the visual cues. Why is that? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035/40 "2024-02-24T23:42:09Z")
Calling her a socialite makes it spicy but if she wasn’t insanely wealthy she wouldn’t still be free over three years later with a ridiculous web page. She also would have taken a plea. I hope the civil suit bankrupts the family [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035.md?page=3)