# Sodomize someone with a police baton? The kid's a liar, I tell ya !! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 8, 2008, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311 "2008-12-08T22:28:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/21 "2008-12-09T06:02:33Z")
> [@buttonjockey308](#): > > There’s more to it, and we’ll never know what that is, but this cop needs lock-up. He might just enjoy that a little too much. ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/22 "2008-12-09T06:17:57Z")
Any one wanna take a guess as to why I cannot find Officer Richard Kern’s picture? Is it being protected? I figure it should be known to the public who the guy is. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/59ef9b/32.png) [@Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_fight_the_hypothetical)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/23 "2008-12-09T06:45:49Z")
The kid was probably hanging drapes… ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/24 "2008-12-09T09:04:23Z")
> [@5-4-Fighting](#): > > What is it with NYC police officers and sodomy of suspects It goes with the mustaches. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/25 "2008-12-09T13:27:51Z")
> [@5-4-Fighting](#): > > I can’t wait for the extreme L&O types to run in here and say he got what he deserved because he shouldn’t have run. No, he shouldn’t have, but still. If I know I have a non-zero chance of being forcibly raped with a police baton, which can possibly rupture my colon so that I die in a holding cell of internal bleeding, running starts to look like a damn good option. People run because they’re scared. Sometimes, they’re scared for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/26 "2008-12-09T14:06:01Z")
> [@buttonjockey308](#): > > Seriously, a street adjustment is a street adjustment but that’s never something that crosses your mind. Frankly, when it’s tune-up time, the less skin I have to see/touch the better. You sound just like one of those TV cops. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/27 "2008-12-09T14:19:21Z")
Is that Al Sharpton by the kid’s bed? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/28 "2008-12-09T14:53:33Z")
> [@buttonjockey308](#): > > Seriously, a street adjustment is a street adjustment but that’s never something that crosses your mind. Frankly, when it’s tune-up time, the less skin I have to see/touch the better. There’s more to it, and we’ll never know what that is, but this cop needs lock-up. OK, um, what is a “street adjustment” or “tune-up time”? Are you a cop? Are you saying that, while you might smack someone around, you wouldn’t sodomize him? Because, really, neither of those things are OK. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/29 "2008-12-09T15:02:29Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Is that Al Sharpton by the kid’s bed? Yes, which makes me immediately think the kid is full of shit. Ol’ Al has a raging woody for law enforcement and he’s proven himself able and willing to not merely bend the truth, but out-and-out lie. That, and the fact that the PD issued a statement that none of the witness testimony matches the claimed events. Now, you might think the PD is merely covering for one of their own, but I doubt they’re going to issue a press statement which will be so easily proven to be a lie when the case goes to trial and the witness statements are made public. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/30 "2008-12-09T15:06:12Z")
> [@Q.E.D](#): > > Yes, which makes me immediately think the kid is full of shit. Ol’ Al has a raging woody for law enforcement and he’s proven himself able and willing to not merely bend the truth, but out-and-out lie. That, and the fact that the PD issued a statement that none of the witness testimony matches the claimed events. Now, you might think the PD is merely covering for one of their own, but I doubt they’re going to issue a press statement which will be so easily proven to be a lie when the case goes to trial and the witness statements are made public. And Mark Furman never used the N-word either… ---
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/31 "2008-12-09T15:35:18Z")
It’s good to see that presumption of innocence doesn’t apply to cops. _sheesh_ Something happened. Hopefully we can find out what via a trial, and whomever is guilty of a crime can be punished for it. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/32 "2008-12-09T16:00:12Z")
> [@phouka](#): > > I think the fact that one of the other officers testified against him and on behalf of the victim speaks volumes. Cops don’t testify against cops, as a rule. If one does, it makes me _very_ suspicious. I think it was a Transit Cop that testified against him. If so, I am not sure what side of the blue line they would fall even though both are technically part of the NYPD. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/33 "2008-12-09T16:16:12Z")
It could be worse. Can you imagine what the reaction would have been if Guiliani was mayor. Oh, that’s right, we don’t have to imagine. He would instinctively back the cops regardless of facts, released the victims sealed records, call the victim a liar, and add City Hall’s clout to help stonewall prosecution of bad cops. And some people wanted this for President. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/34 "2008-12-09T17:13:34Z")
> [@Tristan](#): > > It’s good to see that presumption of innocence doesn’t apply to cops. > > _sheesh_ > > Something happened. Hopefully we can find out what via a trial, and whomever is guilty of a crime can be punished for it. Something happened? When the medical records are released in full to the public, we’ll all know what happened. The cops’ attorneys will do a splendid job of proving that this street punk anally attacked those poor officers, and what could they do but defend themselves with their batons?? Why, it’s self-defense. Plain and simple. As simple as the badge on one’s chest. ☹ If you remove anal assault from the list of viable scenarios, you really only have one scenario left. The truth. Where a person was held down, their pants and underpants were removed, and they were sexually assaulted with a police baton. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/35 "2008-12-09T17:23:05Z")
According to one of the links and the photo description, he was sodomized _on_ the subway platform. They weren’t afraid of witnesses? What of the CCTVs? ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/36 "2008-12-09T17:32:39Z")
It’s so nice to know we have people like the OP who can quickly and accurately gauge a person’s guilt based solely on the sketchy information from a couple news articles. Why, if we had more people like him we could do away with the whole expensive court system entirely! ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/37 "2008-12-09T18:32:36Z")
Any police officers who commit a crime should be punished for that crime. That certainly includes assaulting a suspect. But this doesn’t excuse the blatant bigotry of the OP. If you get mugged by a black man, you don’t get a pass on hating all black people. If a Mexican steals your car, you’re not entitled to hate all Mexicans. And if some cops assault a suspect, you can’t assign the blame to all cops. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/38 "2008-12-09T18:40:45Z")
> [@Tristan](#): > > It’s good to see that presumption of innocence doesn’t apply to cops. It’s equally good to see that it doesn’t apply to message boards. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/39 "2008-12-09T18:44:21Z")
> [@Q.E.D](#): > > It’s so nice to know we have people like the OP who can quickly and accurately gauge a person’s guilt based solely on the sketchy information from a couple news articles. Why, if we had more people like him we could do away with the whole expensive court system entirely! So how DID the victim’s DNA get on the baton? ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/40 "2008-12-09T18:52:31Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Any police officers who commit a crime should be punished for that crime. That certainly includes assaulting a suspect. > > But this doesn’t excuse the blatant bigotry of the OP. If you get mugged by a black man, you don’t get a pass on hating all black people. If a Mexican steals your car, you’re not entitled to hate all Mexicans. And if some cops assault a suspect, you can’t assign the blame to all cops. When they have a well documented history of covering for one another it is not as hard to suspend disbelief. I work with a lot of cops some good and some bad. Some I would trust to watch my newborn son some I wouldn’t trust to watch a cup of coffee. That said I doubt the OP was referring to all cops (I hope not) but just to dirty cops. At least in my head when I hear a story I think to myself “Fucking cops!” with the uneeded caveat that it only applies the dirty ones. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311.md?page=3)