# Sodomize someone with a police baton? The kid's a liar, I tell ya !! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 8, 2008, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311 "2008-12-08T22:28:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/41 "2008-12-09T19:54:56Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > So how DID the victim’s DNA get on the baton? I don’t know; I wasn’t there. I do, however, know there are a lot of ways DNA could be transferred to the baton which don’t involve stuffing it up someone’s ass. Unless they can somehow prove it’s ass DNA. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/42 "2008-12-09T20:25:08Z")
> [@Q.E.D](#): > > I don’t know; I wasn’t there. I do, however, know there are a lot of ways DNA could be transferred to the baton which don’t involve stuffing it up someone’s ass. Unless they can somehow prove it’s ass DNA. :rolleyes: Well, if it’s significantly tainted with fecal matter, I’d say that’s a pretty good (though certainly not infalliable) indicator of how it got there. ---
**Author:** ![Sanity\_Challenged](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de053/32.png) [@Sanity\_Challenged](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sanity_Challenged)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/43 "2008-12-09T21:15:37Z")
> [@buttonjockey308](#): > > Seriously, a street adjustment is a street adjustment but that’s never something that crosses your mind. Frankly, when it’s tune-up time, the less skin I have to see/touch the better. There’s more to it, and we’ll never know what that is, but this cop needs lock-up. Are you a cop or a criminal? This statement makes me think that you’re both. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/44 "2008-12-09T22:29:34Z")
> [@Cat\_Fight](#): > > According to one of the links and the photo description, he was sodomized _on_ the subway platform. They weren’t afraid of witnesses? What of the CCTVs? This isn’t merry old England. CCTVs are few and far between in subway stations. As for witnesses, depending on time and station, they might be few and far between. A very brief scan of the articles only yielded the locational information of “Brooklyn”. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/45 "2008-12-09T22:49:15Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Well, if it’s significantly tainted with fecal matter, I’d say that’s a pretty good (though certainly not infalliable) indicator of how it got there. Sure, but since the article doesn’t mention that one way or the other, I’m not going to make assumptions merely because DNA was found on it. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/46 "2008-12-09T23:22:07Z")
Kids that make claims like that are a pain in the ass. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/47 "2008-12-09T23:31:59Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Is that Al Sharpton by the kid’s bed? Yes, which is why I mentioned him in my post. > [@catsix](#): > > If I know I have a non-zero chance of being forcibly raped with a police baton, which can possibly rupture my colon so that I die in a holding cell of internal bleeding, running starts to look like a damn good option. > > People run because they’re scared. > > Sometimes, they’re scared for a reason. Yes, sometimes they are scared for a reason. I am one the most mistrustful people I know when it comes to NYPD cops, but it just seems to me that, whatever else might happen, you only incite them – as in the example – to do worse things to you than they might have possibly intended if you run or resist. However, I will concede there might be times when one is in such a situation one might feel running is less dangerious. > [@D\_Odds](#): > > This isn’t merry old England. CCTVs are few and far between in subway stations. As for witnesses, depending on time and station, they might be few and far between. A very brief scan of the articles only yielded the locational information of “Brooklyn”. It took place at the Prospect Park subway station. Which is off the green area (the park) on this map: [http://www.mta.info/nyct/maps/submap.htm](http://www.mta.info/nyct/maps/submap.htm) This article ([http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/10/nyregion/10officers.html?em](http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/10/nyregion/10officers.html?em)) says the station was crowded. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/48 "2008-12-09T23:43:23Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Well, if it’s significantly tainted with fecal matter, I’d say that’s a pretty good (though certainly not infalliable) indicator of how it got there. Let’s be fair—where fecal matter on a cop’s baton is involved, it’s important to rule out “personal use.” ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/49 "2008-12-10T00:19:07Z")
> [@phouka](#): > > I think the fact that one of the other officers testified against him and on behalf of the victim speaks volumes. Cops don’t testify against cops, as a rule. If one does, it makes me _very_ suspicious. This. This is another good point in the kid’s favor. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/50 "2008-12-10T01:41:27Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > This isn’t merry old England. CCTVs are few and far between in subway stations. If it were I’d be kicking your ass! (\<– very obscure Undeclared reference.) I’ve been spending too much time in cabs and in London. And I actually believed a ways back that cameras would be [priority number one](http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/01/nycs-subway-spy.html) (I think they’ve opted for the just-as-good ‘Check random ladies’ purses during rush hour’). ---
**Author:** ![Ace309](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ace309/32/1050_2.png) [@Ace309](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ace309)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/51 "2008-12-10T02:14:22Z")
> [@Tristan](#): > > It’s good to see that presumption of innocence doesn’t apply to cops. The presumption of innocence applies. That’s why they’re going through procedural channels to indict the cops. The presumption of innocence does not, however, put any constraint on public opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Merkwurdigliebe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/74df32/32.png) [@Merkwurdigliebe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merkwurdigliebe)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/52 "2008-12-10T02:17:29Z")
I don’t like to blame folks before all of the facts are revealed, but so far they don’t look good for the cop. Cops don’t just testify against one of their own unless there’s a damn good reason. Secondly, the guy was in the hospital for a few days for “anal assault.” So somebody must have anally assaulted him. So either the story happened as the kid claimed, or he got anally assaulted and then tried to become cop bait by lighting a joint in front of some cops, or he got busted by some cops, and then anally assaulted himself. That neighborhood isn’t exactly the kind of place where you get anally assaulted by random strangers either. So I’m going to apply Occam’s razor here and say that 2 and 2 make 4. A guy was in the hospital for anal assault after a run-in with the cops who he claimed sodomized him with a baton, which has the victim’s DNA on it. I think they obviously deserve a right to a fair trial, but if I were a betting man, I’d bet that the kid is telling the truth. I don’t think people get anally assaulted and find the police to frame, nor do I think that people go off and get themselves purposefully and painfully sodomized after a police beating. And finally **buttonjockey308** if you are a cop, and you think it’s okay to “tune up” people on the street you’re a fucking goon. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/53 "2008-12-10T02:41:08Z")
> [@Merkwurdigliebe](#): > > And finally **buttonjockey308** if you are a cop, and you think it’s okay to “tune up” people on the street you’re a fucking goon. I think the correct term is JAFWAB (Just Another Felon With A Badge). Cops have no more right to administer a “street adjustment” or “tune-up” than any other citizen. In fact they have less right, they are supposed to uphold the law in a professional manner. BJ hopefully you will be on the loosing end of a USC 1983 lawsuit someday, it is a serious violation of federal law when anyone deprives another of their civil rights under color of authority which is what a “street adjustment” or “tune up” is. If you are a cop and you do that which you alluded to, you are the same as the cop in the OP. Assaulting a citizen, whether you stick your night stick up his ass or just “tune him up” with it, is still assault. It doesn’t make you a tough cop it just makes you a corrupt criminal cop and a scumbag. I suspect you are just talking smack on the internet though… ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/54 "2008-12-10T03:49:24Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Let’s be fair—where fecal matter on a cop’s baton is involved, it’s important to rule out “personal use.” Paging **Autolycus**.. Oh, wait, that was a _ladle_… ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/55 "2008-12-10T16:10:40Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > I think the correct term is JAFWAB (Just Another Felon With A Badge). Cops have no more right to administer a “street adjustment” or “tune-up” than any other citizen. In fact they have less right, they are supposed to uphold the law in a professional manner. BJ hopefully you will be on the loosing end of a USC 1983 lawsuit someday, it is a serious violation of federal law when anyone deprives another of their civil rights under color of authority which is what a “street adjustment” or “tune up” is. If you are a cop and you do that which you alluded to, you are the same as the cop in the OP. Assaulting a citizen, whether you stick your night stick up his ass or just “tune him up” with it, is still assault. It doesn’t make you a tough cop it just makes you a corrupt criminal cop and a scumbag. I suspect you are just talking smack on the internet though… Life is all sunshine and roses for you people isn’t it? We could fill books with everything you and the rest of the hand-wringers around here DON’T know about dealing with the worst of society. Don’t you dare assume that you have any idea what I mean when I use that jargon. It’s my fault for assuming people would understand what that means. My career has spanned 18 years in every manner of public service. I’ve never had a complaint once. NEVER. Your assumption that I’m a felon with a badge is not only wrong, it’s offensive and assumes that because some jack-hole from the NYPD stuck a baton up some guy’s ass, that every cop does that. When the tools of the trade are brought into play it’s always serious, it’s always a solemn thing and it’s only for the time it takes to safely subdue a suspect. Cops like the one in the OP are the problem. Facts are though that you don’t strap on a badge and belt and just go around beating on people. However, there are times when it’s necessary and you’re allowed, unlike the average citizen and because of the training you’ve received to escalate above the typical use-of-force continuum for the protection of both the criminal AND yourself. People make the horribly bad decision to fight with the police all the time and those people need to be corrected, contained and subdued. Sometimes repeatedly before they submit. There is a line that’s blurry and difficult not to cross, but good cops stay on the right side of it for the majority of their careers. Fighting hurts. No one really wants to HAVE to do it, sometimes though, it’s what’s necessary to ensure your safety as an officer and the safety of the public. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/56 "2008-12-10T16:26:16Z")
> [@buttonjockey308](#): > > We could fill books with everything you and the rest of the hand-wringers around here DON’T know about dealing with the worst of society. > > Don’t you dare assume that you have any idea what I mean when I use that jargon. It’s my fault for assuming people would understand what that means. OK, so fight some ignorance here. Is a “street adjustment” or “tune up” just police slang for subduing a violent suspect, or does it mean applying additional violence as a means of punishment when a suspect fights you? Is a “street adjustment” a means of containment or correction? ---
**Author:** ![Merkwurdigliebe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/74df32/32.png) [@Merkwurdigliebe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merkwurdigliebe)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/57 "2008-12-10T16:27:15Z")
Oh of course, the age-old, you people don’t understand defense. Believe it or not, people other than cops, also have jobs that have them dealing with the worst of society on a regular basis. Only we aren’t allowed to go around cracking skulls with a baton. You might be surprised a what you can do without injuring people. If you’ve ever hit someone with your baton while they were restrained you’re the worst fucking scum of the earth in my opinion. You’re beyond low and you’re also why most people consider cops to be pieces of shit. Luckily in this day and age we are able to catch most cops in the act because everyone has a camera of some sort. You better not be doing something you wouldn’t mind the entire world seeing, is all I can tell you. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/58 "2008-12-10T16:49:17Z")
ETA: Response to Buttonjockey- First, did you notice the words I underlined? I emphasized IF you are a cop AND you participate in unlawful assaults then you are a criminal. IF you are not involved my comments did not apply. Second, don’t assume you know about random people on the internet. I made it clear that I know many really good tough cops, many of my friends are cops. I know that cops have a hard job to do and that they have to deal with some real losers. I know many of them are losers because I represent them but I also see the worst the police force has to offer. I have come to learn that the rate of criminal cops is about the same as the rate of criminals in any other group. Cops are not special, there are good ones and there are bad ones. But the bad cops offend me more than street thugs because they hide behind self righteousness and a badge. Many of them have no problem lying under oath and my best days in court involve proving they are lying, it does not happen often because it is hard to prove, but it does happen. I have also seen cops destroy the prosecutor’s case because they refused to lie. If you say that you are not a bad cop and that when you alluded to street adjustments and tune ups that you were referring to lawful exercise of force then I have no reason not to take you at your word. ---
**Author:** ![Stuffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@Stuffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stuffy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/59 "2008-12-10T16:55:31Z")
> [@buttonjockey308](#): > > Life is all sunshine and roses for you people isn’t it? We could fill books with everything you and the rest of the hand-wringers around here DON’T know about dealing with the worst of society. Maybe you should try another job. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2008, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311/60 "2008-12-11T02:30:59Z")
> [@buttonjockey308](#): > > Life is all sunshine and roses for you people isn’t it? No. It isn’t. We live in a city where people are fucked in the ass by police officers using their batons. You call that sunshine and roses, do you? > [@](#): > > Cops like the one in the OP are the problem. Couldn’t agree more. > [@](#): > > Fighting hurts. No one really wants to HAVE to do it, sometimes though, it’s what’s necessary to ensure your safety as an officer and the safety of the public. This is what will be so entirely sad, horrifying- yet fascinating. The attorneys for the cops will prove beyond any doubt that this ( possibly ) pot-smoking man’s anus was such a deep threat to the safety of the officers and the safety of the public, that they did what they had to do. As I said, no doubt these officers will walk, be promoted, and live to ass-fuck another day. Kind of sad, isn’t it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomize-someone-with-a-police-baton-the-kids-a-liar-i-tell-ya/476311.md?page=4)