# Sodomy is constitutional - AND STROM THURMOND DIES!!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2003, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696 "2003-06-27T03:50:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696/281 "2003-06-29T19:11:19Z")
**wring** said it best, in one. Glad he’s gone is fine. Celebrating is not. And yes, I’m of the “eh, he’s dead. Oh well, let’s get some pie.” ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696/282 "2003-06-29T19:38:29Z")
Is it okay to be happy he’s finally left the Senate? ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696/283 "2003-06-29T19:42:20Z")
Cancel that - seems he had left some time ago. Well, okay then. ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696/284 "2003-06-29T19:52:17Z")
I don’t think that relishing Thurmond’s death is hateful. Death is a natural occurrence that happens to everyone, not an evil, terrifying bogeyman. Stop acting like it’s the worst thing that could happen. Especially to someone who was obviously elderly. In life, Thurmond chose to remain ignorant, oppress his fellow human beings, and to spread hate. He won’t be able to do that any more. That’s why I’m glad he’s gone. Better luck next time, Strom. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696/285 "2003-06-29T19:54:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\ ***wring** said it best, in one. > > Glad he’s gone is fine. Celebrating is not. > > And yes, I’m of the “eh, he’s dead. Oh well, let’s get some pie.” \*\* Hey, we must be telepathic, for at the moment I am eating cherry pie. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696/286 "2003-06-29T20:02:30Z")
I’m got going to get into whether or not it is appropriate to express pleasure when a despised adversary dies. Obviously it is acceptable to some, but not to others. You might as well argue as to whether or not the paper should hang over or under the roll. I would like to know, however, if those of you who have hammered away at others for expressing such pleasure have ever spent as much effort in promoting gay rights. If you have, then good for you. If you have not, then perhaps you might find a better use for your time and toruble. ---
**Author:** ![county](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@county](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/county)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696/287 "2003-06-29T20:53:53Z")
If anybody thinks his death or the recent Supreme Court decision on sodomy is going to affect (even one little bit) the direction our personal freedoms and this country are heading needs a reality check. Looks like Bush is headed for a 2nd term and his administration will continue to amaze at an even greater rate and with a greater magnitude. ---
**Author:** ![JerseyDiamond](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@JerseyDiamond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JerseyDiamond)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696/288 "2003-06-29T21:10:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mockingbird \* > **Again, you cast me in a light of being some rage fueled person who doesn’t read anything said by others.** You make yourself look that way. Nobody else does. > [@](#): > > **a decent person would stop attempting to convert another to their point of view once it is put to them that they are not agreed with.** Unless the view the other person disagrees with is that homosexuality is wrong, I guess. Or else, shouldn’t you stop trying to convince everybody that your pro-gay opinion is right, once it is put to you that you are not agreed with? Or is your opinion the only special one that deserves to be forced on people? ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696/289 "2003-06-29T21:19:05Z")
> [@](#): > > Unless the view the other person disagrees with is that homosexuality is wrong, I guess. Or else, shouldn’t you stop trying to convince everybody that your pro-gay opinion is right, once it is put to you that you are not agreed with? I am not convinced that **Mockingbird** is trying to convince anyone that his “pro-gay” opinion is right insofar as he is trying to make room for himself and others to live freely. If you do believe that homosexuality is wrong, I would enjoin you not to be a homosexual. I am sure that this advice does not take you by surprise. Personally, I find many lines of work ethically dubious, and some downright wrong. Let’s just say that if my preferences had the force of law, the world would be a _very_ different place. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696/290 "2003-06-29T21:30:12Z")
Well, mockingbird, I did use the wrong word above. Instead of invalid, I should’ve said incorrect. And, yes, when your opinion, your perception, is based on that which is not correct, then that opinion, that perception is incorrect. It doesn’t make a whit of difference if you’re Christian or not. The point is twofold: (a) Did you consider Thurmond to be a mean and spiteful person? (b) if so, Are you going to act mean and spiteful yourself. I see you’ve provided more than enough pomposity, arrogance, and yes, childish hate, to answer that question on trumps. What do you think it shows that I agree completely with JerseyDiamond on this? Maybe, it’s because, regardless of the source of the teaching, the teaching’s valid. Stick that in your pipe. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696/291 "2003-06-29T21:35:32Z")
p.s. I’m not squelching dissent. Did I ever tell you not to protest the man’s actions? Did I ever tell you not to campaign for reform? What I did do was point out your inhumanity to you. You continue to claim those that are acting in a charitable, or at least not inhuman, manner are those who are inhuman. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696/292 "2003-06-29T22:45:13Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Mockingbird \* Others can lead one to feel very pissed off. Others can act as an external catalyst. Or do you have no responsibility for what you say? Y’know… I really do not give a shit what it supposedly says about my humanity. I am not Mother Theresa, I’m not Martin Luther King, and I am not Malcolm X. \*\* So you admit your just as bad as Thurmond? > [@](#): > > I do not have to be perfect every moment of my life and be a good role model. > > What I am being is very human. You and others want to quash that because your social over conditioning seems to take presidence. If you are too ignorant to see how your hate breeds more hate than there is no hope for your cause. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696/293 "2003-06-29T22:46:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mockingbird \* > \*\*I am not a Christian and Jesus was not perfect. > > My perception is valid for me and you have no place telling me what is or is not valid for me, you pompous and presumptuous jerk. > > I call squelching dissent inhuman. That _is_ what you are doing. > > Your arrogance is amazing. \*\* And here you are doing the same thing you are decrying in the same post. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696/294 "2003-06-29T22:50:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > \*\*And here you are doing the same thing you are decrying in the same post. :rolleyes: \*\* I am surprised you can roll our eyes with your head up your ass. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696/295 "2003-06-29T22:52:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > Let’s not. > > I am relieved and glad that Strom Thurmond, longtime racist and homophobe has died. As much as **[Scylla**, **Tars Tarkas** , **Dewey** and others wish us to mourn him, I will never do so. and point out where i said that, considering i specifically said that wasn’t what i was arguing against, but was opposed to your drunken Fratboyery. > [@](#): > > Of all the posters who have chided me in this thread, **Dewey** is the only one who deprecated Strom’s racist, homophobic views. Now you are arguing like december, saying that anyone who doesn’t decry palestinian bombers in every post is suddenly a Hammas agent. That argument is ignorant and flawed. > [@](#): > > The man is dead, but it is grossly offensive to me that he should be treated as a dead hero, when he was nothing but a bigot and hatemonger his entire career. \*\* once again, NO ONE is asking you to treat him as a hero, they are asking yo to stop the gravedancing. But don’t mind me, i’m apparently a bigot because of…disagreeing with a guy who happens to be gay? WTF? And since i disagree with some guys in this thread that happen to be straight, i must be bigoted against them as well… ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696/296 "2003-06-29T22:53:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Maeglin \* > \*\*I am not convinced that **Mockingbird** is trying to convince anyone that his “pro-gay” opinion is right insofar as he is trying to make room for himself and others to live freely. > > If you do believe that homosexuality is wrong, I would enjoin you not to be a homosexual. I am sure that this advice does not take you by surprise. > > Personally, I find many lines of work ethically dubious, and some downright wrong. Let’s just say that if my preferences had the force of law, the world would be a _very_ different place. \*\* Bingo. He gets it, why don’t the rest of you? ---
**Author:** ![litost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@litost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/litost)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696/297 "2003-06-29T22:54:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > > I am pro-human. > > I find it inhuman to take a morbid & macabre delight in someone’s death. > > You complain about Thurmond’s inhumanity to you and then display inhumanity yourself. > > Exactly how, then, are you different or better than he? **Monty** A question for you: Would it be inhuman to celebrate OBL’s death? (IOW, is there some point where it would become “human” to rejoice someone’s death?) ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696/298 "2003-06-29T22:54:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mockingbird \* > \*\*I am surprised you can roll our eyes with your head up your ass. \*\* roll **our** eyes? so you agree with me that your behavior is terrible? ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696/299 "2003-06-29T22:55:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by matt\_mcl \* > \*\*Cancel that - seems he had left some time ago. Well, okay then. \*\* He _just_ finished his final term. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696/300 "2003-06-29T23:50:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > **So, unless it’s happened to you _personally_ you’re not allowed to have strong feelings about it? I doubt that’s really your position. You seem to be suggesting that even tho statutes exist RE: sexual practices the fact they’re rarely prosecuted mean you shouldn’t be concerned about it.** No **Wring** , you seem to have entirely missed the context of my question. Gobear was telling people to get a clue since they didn’t know what it was like to be harassed by jackbooted thugs in their own bedroom. I asked him if he ever did. Seeing as it seems he hasn’t, then how can he tell people to get a clue based on their lack of experience when he hasn’t had the experience either. I’m waiting to see if he’s going to claim a psychic bond of empathy, that justifies his privileged stance absent the experience he chastises others for not having. So, in other words, it was Gobear claiming you needed to experience these things before you could have a clue. I’m simply pointing out that Gobear is equally clueless. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sodomy-is-constitutional-and-strom-thurmond-dies/184696.md?page=16)