# Solo: A Star Wars Story seen it thread. (Open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 24, 2018, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746 "2018-05-24T19:17:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2018, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746/241 "2018-07-09T19:46:16Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Weird that Ant-Man and the Wasp is being heralded as a success even though it had a worse opening weekend domestic gross than Solo. I guess Marvel is allowed to have modest break-even movies and Star Wars isn’t? Did they keep the budget low? Are they banking on the foreign box office? I think it’s been touched on but… yeah it’s a perception problem. People think Star Wars movies are supposed to be HUGE…even though the whole point of the spin-offs was to be smaller less-pressured movies. I think Rogue One was was pretty big so that made people re-calibrate. Solo was supposed to be the first “Ant-Man” style Star Wars movie…It could make a lot less money and it would have been fine. The truth is Solo is only seen as loss because they had to reshoot the vast majority of the movie which threw off its budget. It opened bigger than GOTG vol 2…but it had a much steeper mountain to climb to be even a modest success. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746/242 "2018-07-10T23:31:16Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > This debuted at #1 in May, and was there for weeks; and it’s been in the Top 10 on through to the 4th of July — which is why, on the one hand, that means it just now passed CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER (and, for that matter, that it’s just about to pass BATMAN BEGINS) > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > it was at #1 for weeks, plural, since, y’know, _two_; and those two weeks, plus what’s happened since, adds up to 41 days in the top ten (and if it hits 42, then, well, that’ll be six weeks). Just to follow up: after this past weekend, the disappointment that is SOLO _did_ in fact pass BATMAN BEGINS (and, for that matter, MAD MAX: FURY ROAD) just like it passed CAPTAIN AMERICA — after it _did_ spend that 42nd day in the Top Ten, for the total of six solid weeks including those two at #1. At this rate, it may even wind up raking in more cash than the STAR TREK reboot: which (a) still ain’t enough, sure; but (b) can you even _imagine?_ ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746/243 "2018-07-23T21:44:24Z")
For the record, it _did_ just now pass STAR TREK, where another actor with big shoes to fill as a sci-fi franchise’s raygun-toting starship captain resisted what must have been a constant temptation to go all the way from ‘smirk’ to ‘impression’. In that case, it was enough to spark special-effects-laden sequel after sequel; again, _here_ it’s not enough here to avoid the “disappointment” label — but I sure figured it was an _interesting_ enough point to at least deserve quick mention. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746/244 "2018-07-23T22:37:27Z")
Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746/245 "2018-07-23T23:08:00Z")
It’s not just about the total box office, Solo required extensive reshooting which massively drove up the cost to even get it to this level. It ended up being the most expensive Star Wars movie to date. And yes, Star Wars films do have higher expectations than Star Trek or a low tier Marvel movie. Nobody expected Ant Man to pull Infinity War numbers. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746/246 "2018-07-23T23:27:00Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > It’s not just about the total box office, Solo required extensive reshooting which massively drove up the cost to even get it to this level. It ended up being the most expensive Star Wars movie to date. And yes, Star Wars films do have higher expectations than Star Trek or a low tier Marvel movie. Nobody expected Ant Man to pull Infinity War numbers. Yeah, I know; after all, so long as we’re talking about superhero flicks, it’s kind of hard to miss that SOLO is now getting awfully close to pulling in the $391 million grossed by SUPERMAN RETURNS; and was _that_ movie ever a big disappointment, because “very expensive” plus “big expectations”, y’know? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746/247 "2018-07-23T23:42:07Z")
I don’t understand, are you trying to imply Superman Returns wasn’t a big disappointment? because that was a franchise killer. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746/248 "2018-07-23T23:48:15Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I don’t understand, are you trying to imply Superman Returns wasn’t a big disappointment? because that was a franchise killer. …no, I’m not trying to imply that; I thought I was flatly stating the exact opposite: that, much like SOLO (and almost _eerily_ like SOLO, as the dollar amounts get closer and closer to mirroring each other), it in fact _was_ a big disappointment, since it was so very expensive and fell so very short of big expectations. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2018, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746/249 "2018-07-24T00:08:19Z")
Ok sorry, my sarcasm meter is off today. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2018, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746/250 "2018-07-24T00:12:54Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > It’s not just about the total box office, Solo required extensive reshooting which massively drove up the cost to even get it to this level. It ended up being the most expensive Star Wars movie to date. And yes, Star Wars films do have higher expectations than Star Trek or a low tier Marvel movie. Nobody expected Ant Man to pull Infinity War numbers. I agree with the latter point. But I don’t think it makes sense to factor in the sunk costs of the reshoot. That’s just lost money that ought to have no bearing on whether or not the movie counts as a success. ETA: > [@DigitalC](#): > > Ok sorry, my sarcasm meter is off today. FWIW, I initially took it the same way. And I think SR is vastly underrated BTW. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2018, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746/251 "2018-07-24T17:05:16Z")
In light of the recent “I finally figured out what was wrong with The Last Jedi” discussion, I’ve finally figured out what was wrong with Solo (at least for me): It focuses too much on one character. I think instead of calling it “Solo,” you call it “Crimson Dawn,” and it becomes about the rise of a crime syndicate, with Han Solo and his Kessel Run playing a role in the story. Solo’s “failure” could be because people don’t want to see movies that are just about character development for the sake of character development or fan service. I don’t want to see a movie called “Kenobi.” But I \*would \*like to see a movie about crime and the Hutts on Tattooine during the period between Ep. III and Ep IV, and have Obi-Wan play a role. Or maybe a movie about Mandalore, where Obi-Wan takes part in the story. They should stick to telling stories, not fleshing out characters or featuring backstories just for the sake of fleshing out characters or fan service. Now granted, the movie Solo did set up the story of Crimson Dawn and Qira and Maul (which will hopefully continue in future movies or shows), but that story took a backseat to “Come and see young Han Solo and how he met Chewie and how he did the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs!!” Bah. I don’t care about that shit, I care about new stories. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746/252 "2018-07-24T19:43:51Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > In light of the recent “I finally figured out what was wrong with The Last Jedi” discussion, I’ve finally figured out what was wrong with Solo (at least for me): It focuses too much on one character. I think instead of calling it “Solo,” you call it “Crimson Dawn,” and it becomes about the rise of a crime syndicate, with Han Solo and his Kessel Run playing a role in the story. Solo’s “failure” could be because people don’t want to see movies that are just about character development for the sake of character development or fan service. > > I don’t want to see a movie called “Kenobi.” But I \*would \*like to see a movie about crime and the Hutts on Tattooine during the period between Ep. III and Ep IV, and have Obi-Wan play a role. Or maybe a movie about Mandalore, where Obi-Wan takes part in the story. > > They should stick to telling stories, not fleshing out characters or featuring backstories just for the sake of fleshing out characters or fan service. Now granted, the movie Solo did set up the story of Crimson Dawn and Qira and Maul (which will hopefully continue in future movies or shows), but that story took a backseat to “Come and see young Han Solo and how he met Chewie and how he did the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs!!” Bah. I don’t care about that shit, I care about new stories. This is also why Rogue One is a better movie by a lot. Yes, the Death Star getting blowed-up was old, but the characters and story was pretty much new. I still think Episode VII is the best of the new bunch, but Rogue One was a lot better than I first thought. It has really grown with multiple viewings. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2018, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746/253 "2018-07-24T20:09:54Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > That being said, I do think this was probably a turn-off for people in regard to Solo. Everyone knew there would be no Force-using badassery in this movie since Han didn’t believe in that nonsense at the beginning of ANH. I think they could’ve used more Maul, shown him in action a bit behind the scenes of Crimson Dawn instead of just a surprise cameo at the end. You bring up a good point. If there is a sequel, at no point could Solo see Maul in action, otherwise it contradicts his skepticism of the force. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746/254 "2018-07-24T20:37:20Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I don’t want to see a movie called “Kenobi.” But I \*would \*like to see a movie about crime and the Hutts on Tattooine during the period between Ep. III and Ep IV, and have Obi-Wan play a role. Or maybe a movie about Mandalore, where Obi-Wan takes part in the story. Of the tossed-around proposals, Kenobi is literally the only standalone I want to see. Ewan was _the_ bright spot of the Prequels. They can wait a bit on this though, as he certainly is aging quite well (looks barely older than he did in ROTS). But yeah, I get what you mean, it shouldn’t be solely about one character. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746/255 "2018-07-25T02:17:00Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > In light of the recent “I finally figured out what was wrong with The Last Jedi” discussion Link? Sounds interesting. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > This is also why Rogue One is a better movie by a lot. Yes, the Death Star getting blowed-up was old, but the characters and story was pretty much new. > > I still think Episode VII is the best of the new bunch, but Rogue One was a lot better than I first thought. It has really grown with multiple viewings. I have only seen it once, but I liked it a lot. It’s the only one of the Disney SW movies I really like, in fact. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746/256 "2018-07-25T02:42:56Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Link? Sounds interesting. [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=859018](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=859018) ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2018, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746/257 "2018-07-28T02:19:57Z")
Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2018, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746/258 "2018-08-06T21:57:06Z")
For the record, Box Office Mojo now has both SOLO and SUPERMAN RETURNS sitting at $391M and change (and with SOLO having just pulled ahead). ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2018, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746/259 "2018-08-06T22:36:59Z")
Here’s my ranking of the new movies. Rogue One \>\>\> The Force Awakens \> Solo \>\>\>\>\>\>\> The Last Jedi And depending on how bitter I am about the derivative-ness of TFA, I will sometimes move Solo up a spot. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2018, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746/260 "2018-08-06T22:48:03Z")
Mine is TLJ \> R1 \> TFA \>\>\> Solo. Funny how tastes can differ so wildly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solo-a-star-wars-story-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/814746.md?page=14)