# Solution to Ethics **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 19, 2017, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610 "2017-07-19T00:29:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Forest\_Green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Forest\_Green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Forest_Green)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/181 "2017-07-20T17:51:16Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > This is no “word game”-this is me trying to find out where I stand in your eyes as a bisexual. Along those same lines, you said that “Homosexuals (lesbians, gays, trans) do not have the complaint within those populations that the assholes get the most choice.” You do realize that “transsexual” is not necessarily a subset of “homosexual”, don’t you? Ok, let’s not get into me wanting to be a 15 year old asian girl for 20 minutes so I can walk into the girls dressing room, and sue the school if they discriminate against my identity. You were born, with a penis or vagina, or a penis and a vagina; psychology is a completely different discussion. What I’m making very clear, is that anytime a person with a penis has sex with a person with a vagina, the person with the penis had to be a hypocrite, because that’s the only thing women in all of human history have ever had sex with. Being bisexual does not change that fact. You are accountable in the same exact way heterosexuals are accountable, when you move into that territory. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/182 "2017-07-20T17:52:41Z")
So…sex with women is a ‘resource’, is that right? And access to it is horribly unfair…(I’m thinking…to YOU!)…because you’re NOT a hypocrite? That it? No? Dammit! BUCK!! BUCK!!! COME BACK!! ---
**Author:** ![Forest\_Green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Forest\_Green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Forest_Green)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/183 "2017-07-20T17:58:05Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > So…sex with women is a ‘resource’, is that right? And access to it is horribly unfair…(I’m thinking…to YOU!)…because you’re NOT a hypocrite? That it? > > No? Dammit! > > BUCK!! BUCK!!! > COME BACK!! Are you kidding me? Sex is a resource. Doesn’t mean you pay for it, but by definition, it’s a resource. A pillow is a resource as well. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/184 "2017-07-20T17:58:45Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > Ok, let’s not get into me wanting to be a 15 year old asian girl for 20 minutes so I can walk into the girls dressing room, and sue the school if they discriminate against my identity. This is actually the first thing that pops into your mind when you see the word “transsexual”?? :eek::smack: ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/185 "2017-07-20T17:59:24Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > What I’m making very clear, is that anytime a person with a penis has sex with a person with a vagina, the person with the penis had to be a hypocrite, because that’s the only thing women in all of human history have ever had sex with. My my my, what a limited view of sex and sexuality. You should seek professional help – seriously. It might help you better understand yourself and the world around you. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/186 "2017-07-20T18:04:38Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > Are you kidding me? Sex is a resource. Doesn’t mean you pay for it, but by definition, it’s a resource. A pillow is a resource as well. I’m not aware of any commonly accepted definition of the word “resource” that would include sexual intercourse. ---
**Author:** ![Forest\_Green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Forest\_Green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Forest_Green)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/187 "2017-07-20T18:07:58Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > My my my, what a limited view of sex and sexuality. You should seek professional help – seriously. It might help you better understand yourself and the world around you. I am devoting an entire thread to making that argument, and you, unlike others, haven’t attempted to show where I’m wrong. For example; do you agree or disagree that the only population that has ever, and for thousands of years, complained that assholes get the most sexual variety and choice is the heterosexual population? If you agree. Then not saying this before sex, is abuse through neglect. At a minimum, you have to at least say this to not be an asshole to get sex. How many men do you think actually did that, and if they did, got sex from it? That’s a contradiction. That’s hypocrisy. Just because a guy says this, doesn’t mean they aren’t an asshole in other ways, I’m just using it to make a point. ---
**Author:** ![Forest\_Green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Forest\_Green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Forest_Green)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/188 "2017-07-20T18:11:58Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’m not aware of any commonly accepted definition of the word “resource” that would include sexual intercourse. Oh, come on… intellectual capital, intellectual resource, physical resource, reproductive resource, it’s all abstracted as resource. There are proper and improper ways to use resources, but to suggest that people who pursue sex aren’t abstracting it as a resource is weird - it sounds like a guy trying to sound PC to women; while misstating the obvious. “sex as a resource is a nefarious objectifying idea; he’s bad - you’re not really a prostitute - he’s insinuating you are - I’m good - sex is never a resource to me” etc… ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/189 "2017-07-20T18:12:19Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > Women by default have no moral accountability, because they have no complaint that bitches get the most men. Ah, it’s good to know then, that apparently by your ethics, [Ilse Koch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilse_Koch) is cool, 'cause she wasn’t hoarding her pussy and freely shared it concurrently with her activities torturing and murdering the humans in her control. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/190 "2017-07-20T18:15:11Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > I am devoting an entire thread to making that argument, and you, unlike others, haven’t attempted to show where I’m wrong. Your inability to deal with reality combined with your utterly ridiculous assertions indicate that you are not capable of rational discussion, so efforts on my or any other person’s part to show you where you are wrong would be a complete and utter waste of time. Get some professional help to get your head together, and if by then you are in touch with reality, by all means come back to the SDMB for rational discussions. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/191 "2017-07-20T18:17:30Z")
Or…alternatively…I hear Tinder is also a great way of meeting women ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/192 "2017-07-20T18:17:47Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > I am devoting an entire thread to making that argument, and you, unlike others, haven’t attempted to show where I’m wrong. And you have given us nothing, besides your personal observations taken on some fantasy trip, that you have a leg to stand on. You make nonsense statements and, when asked for any concrete evidence to support your nonsense statements, you make other nonsense statements that may or(more probably) may not have anything to do with your previous statement. You brought up this incredible hodgepodge of ethics, morals and fantasy-Show us where you are _right_. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/193 "2017-07-20T18:22:41Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Show us where you are _right_. Oh, and while you’re at it - could you also please explain more fully your concept of “hypocrisy”, as it seems to be a core heuristic for understanding your paradigm? TIA. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/194 "2017-07-20T18:24:51Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > Oh, come on… intellectual capital, intellectual resource, physical resource, reproductive resource, it’s all abstracted as resource. There are proper and improper ways to use resources, but to suggest that people who pursue sex aren’t abstracting it as a resource is weird - it sounds like a guy trying to sound PC to women; while misstating the obvious. “sex as a resource is a nefarious objectifying idea; he’s bad - you’re not really a prostitute - he’s insinuating you are - I’m good - sex is never a resource to me” etc… Sorry, but you’re just objectively wrong here. Sex isn’t considered a resource by, well, anyone, other than you. And it’s not really possible to make the act of having sex fit into any of the commonly accepted definitions of “resource.” ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/195 "2017-07-20T18:24:54Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > 1.) Tomanddeb stated that jealousy was about them not wanting to leave the relationship, this is a contradiction to the statement that they don’t want anyone to want the person the way that they do; they contradicted their own statement, representing in their argument the exact point I made, while coming off as reciting it; that’s also hypocrisy. > > 2.) Nope, in the same way that a modified tailpipe on a truck is the conspicuous consumption of driving a truck, a wedding is the conspicuous consumption of relationship. > > 3.) Conditioning. It works. Most people feel social pressure to say their day is “ok, nice, good” - this changes thinking patterns. > > 4.) If the computer is infinitely good and you are infinitely good; it no longer becomes “fun” or even possible to play - your purpose for playing the game, if logically consistent is to win in the manner you see fit. As I repeat; the end game, taking the motivation, leaves no game; making it hypocritical to play it, orienting your psychology for contradiction; and making you a viable mate. > > 5.) Women have vaginas. QED. Hypocrisy. QED. Now I know why you have one. > > 6.) — > > 7.) Gibberish that life can be abusive to people, and that not all people who experience that want to stay. Anyone can call something gibberish that’s flawlessly accurate, and see if they can acquire ego points for destroying wealth. > > 8.) Considering that rapists get most the “consensual sex” as well… I think you need to contemplate what your mind is trying to say about people deserving or not deserving sex more than others. 1. You don’t know shit about relationships or hypocricy. 2. You don’t know shit about consumption. 3. You don’t know shit about social behaviour. 4. You don’t know shit about game theory or game play. 5. You don’t know shit about me. I’m a hetero dude. 6. You don’t know shit about —. 7. You don’t know shit about the shit you’re talking about. 8. You don’t know shit about sex or how normal people interact in civil society. QED: You type words, but you don’t know their meaning, let alone the concepts and ideas you gish gallop about. ---
**Author:** ![Forest\_Green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Forest\_Green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Forest_Green)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/196 "2017-07-20T18:26:19Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > Ah, it’s good to know then, that apparently by your ethics, [Ilse Koch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilse_Koch) is cool, 'cause she wasn’t hoarding her pussy and freely shared it concurrently with her activities torturing and murdering the humans in her control. If she tortured and murdered women, then men have to intercede. Since women don’t have the complaint that bitches get the most men or sexual choice; the entire female gender is off the hook for being moral - again, the only population on earth that has this complaint, is heterosexual men. Everyone knows this. I’m explaining why heterosexual men are saying this, why they’ve been saying it for thousands of years. Hypocrisy is an act of aggression; and hypocrisy is the only thing that gets heterosexual men laid. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/197 "2017-07-20T18:26:38Z")
I’m beginning to suspect that FG spent his 400 billion years in [this](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Hellscroll.jpg) hell. (Spoilered for graphic content.) ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/198 "2017-07-20T18:27:23Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > I am devoting an entire thread to making that argument, and you, unlike others, haven’t attempted to show where I’m wrong. > > For example; do you agree or disagree that the only population that has ever, and for thousands of years, complained that assholes get the most sexual variety and choice is the heterosexual population? > > If you agree. Then not saying this before sex, is abuse through neglect. At a minimum, you have to at least say this to not be an asshole to get sex. How many men do you think actually did that, and if they did, got sex from it? That’s a contradiction. That’s hypocrisy. Just because a guy says this, doesn’t mean they aren’t an asshole in other ways, I’m just using it to make a point. > [@Forest\_Green](#): > > Oh, come on… intellectual capital, intellectual resource, physical resource, reproductive resource, it’s all abstracted as resource. There are proper and improper ways to use resources, but to suggest that people who pursue sex aren’t abstracting it as a resource is weird - it sounds like a guy trying to sound PC to women; while misstating the obvious. “sex as a resource is a nefarious objectifying idea; he’s bad - you’re not really a prostitute - he’s insinuating you are - I’m good - sex is never a resource to me” etc… Somebody has had a 400 billion year dry spell. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/199 "2017-07-20T18:38:18Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > I am devoting an entire thread to making that argument, and you, unlike others, haven’t attempted to show where I’m wrong. > > For example; do you agree or disagree that the only population that has ever, and for thousands of years, complained that assholes get the most sexual variety and choice is the heterosexual population? > > If you agree. Then not saying this before sex, is abuse through neglect. At a minimum, you have to at least say this to not be an asshole to get sex. How many men do you think actually did that, and if they did, got sex from it? That’s a contradiction. That’s hypocrisy. Just because a guy says this, doesn’t mean they aren’t an asshole in other ways, I’m just using it to make a point. I don’t agree. Not sure how anyone could know with any accuracy the most common complaints about sex in the last 100 years, much less the last several thousand years. ---
**Author:** ![Forest\_Green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Forest\_Green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Forest_Green)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/200 "2017-07-20T18:45:07Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I don’t agree. Not sure how anyone could know with any accuracy the most common complaints about sex in the last 100 years, much less the last several thousand years. Ever heard the phrase “nice guys finish last”? It specifically is about who ends up with women sexually. That’s the context of the phrase. It’s about heterosexual sex. The phrase is not used for any other population. As men have been beginning to clarify this; there has been an equal movement to rationalize biology arguments for fitness; and that this phrase is wrong. I’m engaging this discussion in the affirmative of that phrase. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610.md?page=11)