# Solution to Ethics **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 19, 2017, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610 "2017-07-19T00:29:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Forest\_Green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Forest\_Green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Forest_Green)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/281 "2017-07-20T23:55:40Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Just because a vocal minority of ppl have said those thing does not mean in any way that it is true across the board. How hard is that to understand? > > Also, I’m still waiting for an answer to the question of who gave you top secret studies. The only heterosexual memes in the entire human species, only represents a vocal minority. Name one other heterosexual meme, just one. You’re not getting it. Deal with it. Just plant someone in a jr. high, high school, and college, it’s easier to track that way, with a closed environment - it would only take you a month to compile the statistics. Other than that, leave me alone on the subject, if you don’t trust your own anecdotal data. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/282 "2017-07-20T23:56:03Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > Why do men say that all women are whores? > Why do women say that all men are pigs? > > What are the other heterosexual memes? > > Name one. > > Nobody states “all people are cannibals” Not all men are misogynists. Not all women are misandrists. ---
**Author:** ![Forest\_Green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Forest\_Green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Forest_Green)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/283 "2017-07-21T00:00:26Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Not all men are misogynists. > > Not all women are misandrists. That’s not what they’re saying. I know lots of men who have stated that all women are whores and they love them for it. I’ve even seen women state that all men are pigs, and love them for it. The question here, is what are people trying to communicate, and why? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/284 "2017-07-21T00:03:01Z")
These men you know and these women you’ve seen are communicating that they are assholes. You should keep better company. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/285 "2017-07-21T00:07:05Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > That’s not what they’re saying. I know lots of men who have stated that all women are whores and they love them for it. > > I’ve even seen women state that all men are pigs, and love them for it. > > The question here, is what are people trying to communicate, and why? Again, have you considered the possibility that the things you have seen are not representative of everyone as a whole? ---
**Author:** ![Forest\_Green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Forest\_Green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Forest_Green)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/286 "2017-07-21T00:12:26Z")
So just ignore the memes? The only heterosexual memes that exist…? Just outliers? Irrelevant? Not worth studying or paying attention to whatsoever? Absurd? Meaningless? No truth? Impossible to find anything resembling truth to the only heterosexual memes that exist? It’s just an illusion? A delusion? Outliers? Irrelevant? No way it could describe anyone else in some way? Just ignore it? Stop asking questions? Hmm… interesting. I wonder if you represent these behaviors then… I find the response to the only heterosexual memes, as ignore them, something compelling to look further into =) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/287 "2017-07-21T00:22:27Z")
Those aren’t “heterosexual” memes, those are “asshole” memes, and they can be among members of all genders and sexual orientations. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/288 "2017-07-21T00:25:43Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > The only heterosexual memes in the entire human species, only represents a vocal minority. Name one other heterosexual meme, just one. Men are from Mars, women are from Venus. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/289 "2017-07-21T00:29:26Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > So just ignore the memes? For fuck’s sake YES! Why would you form an incoherent world view from memes?! > [@](#): > > The only heterosexual memes that exist…? Why do you keep saying this? There’s more out there than I care to look for. Each more worthless than the last. Here’s just one: Women are crazy. Men are stupid. > [@](#): > > Just outliers? Irrelevant? Not worth studying or paying attention to whatsoever? Absurd? Meaningless? No truth? Impossible to find anything resembling truth to the only heterosexual memes that exist? > It’s just an illusion? A delusion? Outliers? Irrelevant? No way it could describe anyone else in some way? Just ignore it? Stop asking questions? Irrelevant and just ignore it are the two most insightful things you’ve said yet in 300+ posts. > [@](#): > > Hmm… interesting. I wonder if you represent these behaviors then… I find the response to the only heterosexual memes, as ignore them, something compelling to look further into =) YES! Get out in the real world with an open mind, not preconceived idiotic meme-based ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Forest\_Green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Forest\_Green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Forest_Green)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/290 "2017-07-21T00:36:36Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Those aren’t “heterosexual” memes, those are “asshole” memes, and they can be among members of all genders and sexual orientations. Not really. The whore one for example is based on the tradition of men working while the woman is pregnant, or raising the child, dowries etc… The pig one is the complaint that MGTOW’s have about hypergamy; which is just a woman’s way of trying to have the security of a father who will stick around… These can be much larger discussions! But there is a basis to it… that’s not really much of an analysis - the idea that men and women are a different “species”, is prevalent as well - which is what the men are from mars and women are from venus thing is eluding to… This is implied in the former memes. You know, you folks can believe I’m a major jerk… that’s certainly your right… There are lots of people who want me dead, or worse in this world… I may not meet a good end because of my actions in this world regarding these topics, in the past or currently… and if I really was the pig, people accuse me of being, I do actually know how to find sexual relationships… it takes time and rejection; actually not difficult; but I know it’s hypocrisy, and hypocrisy is what I define as evil. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/291 "2017-07-21T00:45:07Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > Not really. The whore one for example is based on the tradition of men working while the woman is pregnant, or raising the child, dowries etc… > > The pig one is the complaint that MGTOW’s have about hypergamy; which is just a woman’s way of trying to have the security of a father who will stick around… > > These can be much larger discussions! But there is a basis to it… that’s not really much of an analysis - the idea that men and women are a different “species”, is prevalent as well - which is what the men are from mars and women are from venus thing is eluding to… > > This is implied in the former memes. > > You know, you folks can believe I’m a major jerk… that’s certainly your right… > > There are lots of people who want me dead, or worse in this world… I may not meet a good end because of my actions in this world regarding these topics, in the past or currently… and if I really was the pig, people accuse me of being, I do actually know how to find sexual relationships… it takes time and rejection; actually not difficult; but I know it’s hypocrisy, and hypocrisy is what I define as evil. So hypocrisy=rape. That’s my takeaway. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/292 "2017-07-21T00:51:18Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > So hypocrisy=rape. That’s my takeaway. Mine is women are evil. ---
**Author:** ![Forest\_Green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Forest\_Green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Forest_Green)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/293 "2017-07-21T00:53:09Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > So hypocrisy=rape. That’s my takeaway. If hypocrisy facilitates something cherished; it is tainted. I do consider using hypocrisy around women as a form of statutory rape. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/294 "2017-07-21T01:00:19Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > If hypocrisy facilitates something cherished; it is tainted. I do consider using hypocrisy around women as a form of statutory rape. Ok, let’s put that into a concrete example (preferably one other than sex). Give me an example of an otherwise cherished “something” being tainted by being facilitated by hypocrisy. What do you mean by “cherished” and “tainted”, btw? ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/295 "2017-07-21T01:01:45Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Mine is women are evil. Women and all the men who fuck them, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Forest\_Green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Forest\_Green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Forest_Green)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/296 "2017-07-21T01:07:44Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Ok, let’s put that into a concrete example (preferably one other than sex). Give me an example of an otherwise cherished “something” being tainted by being facilitated by hypocrisy. What do you mean by “cherished” and “tainted”, btw? Anything… common ones, a house, a job, a friendship…. things people cherish. The only real crime is hypocrisy - that’s the meta crime from which we judge all subset crimes. This work has not been anything close to exhaustive in the human species. My psychology is that everyday I have to deserve what I little I have… I have to be a better non-hypocrite everyday. It’s not an easy road. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/297 "2017-07-21T01:09:50Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > Anything… common ones, a house, a job, a friendship…. things people cherish. The only real crime is hypocrisy - that’s the meta crime from which we judge all subset crimes. This work has not been anything close to exhaustive in the human species. > > My psychology is that everyday I have to deserve what I little I have… I have to be a better non-hypocrite everyday. It’s not an easy road. Saying “a house” is in no way an answer, much less a coherent answer, to the question I just posed to you. Try again please. ---
**Author:** ![Forest\_Green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Forest\_Green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Forest_Green)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/298 "2017-07-21T01:13:38Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Saying “a house” is in no way an answer, much less a coherent answer, to the question I just posed to you. Try again please. You’re kidding right? What do you cherish in life? Did you use hypocrisy to get it, or is it hypocritical to even have it? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/299 "2017-07-21T01:21:14Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > If hypocrisy facilitates something cherished; it is tainted. I do consider using hypocrisy around women as a form of statutory rape. You have a very poor understanding of [statutory rape](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape). It refers to sexual relations with minors below the age of consent as defined in a particular jurisdiction. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/300 "2017-07-21T01:21:23Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > You’re kidding right? What do you cherish in life? Did you use hypocrisy to get it, or is it hypocritical to even have it? This is what I asked you: > [@Ambivalid](#): > > Ok, let’s put that into a concrete example (preferably one other than sex). Give me an example of an otherwise cherished “something” being tainted by being facilitated by hypocrisy. What do you mean by “cherished” and “tainted”, btw? Ok, so I’m assuming by “house” you are referring to something that is “cherished”. So tell me how this otherwise cherished house becomes “tainted” because it was attained through “hypocrisy”. _That_ is what I’m asking you. Not for an example of a thing you cherish. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610.md?page=16)