# Solution to Ethics **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 19, 2017, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610 "2017-07-19T00:29:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/361 "2017-07-21T17:03:24Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > I stated, that to the extent that people do actually have sex (not that they should) and they state something is wrong; then in order to be accountable to representing the wrongness of it, some people necessarily deserve the sex more than others. I have no idea what this means. Who is stating that something is wrong? What is wrong? Who are they accountable to? What does “representing the wrongness” mean? You’ve said that no one deserves sex, but then how can someone deserve it more than others? It may make sense in your head, but on (electronic) paper it’s just a word salad. Can you walk us through a concrete example, demonstrating a scenario with Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice as to who deserves sex more and why? ---
**Author:** ![Forest\_Green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Forest\_Green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Forest_Green)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/362 "2017-07-21T17:03:58Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > 1. Prove it. > > 2. You are wrong. Easy as can be actually… use all the data you gather from the service industries, grocery stores, resturaunts, bars… send a variety of men and women and check flirtation of the servers when asking for a service. Someone to count your recycled cans… anything, and check to see who flirts in general, and then immediately ask them to have sex with you if they do. It’s not really fair, but it proves a point. ---
**Author:** ![Forest\_Green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Forest\_Green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Forest_Green)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/363 "2017-07-21T17:06:28Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > I have no idea what this means. Who is stating that something is wrong? What is wrong? Who are they accountable to? What does “representing the wrongness” mean? You’ve said that no one deserves sex, but then how can someone deserve it more than others? > > It may make sense in your head, but on (electronic) paper it’s just a word salad. Can you walk us through a concrete example, demonstrating a scenario with Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice as to who deserves sex more and why? I said, to the extent that people are having sex!!! And to the extent that those people having sex, say something is wrong!!! Then, to be accountable to that!!! It follows that some people deserve sex more than others!!! (from the pool of people who are also having sex - or desire it) ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/364 "2017-07-21T17:08:34Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > That’s is cute, and I certainly didm’t misrepresent what tomanddeb said… they said that thinking women should have sex, is objectifying, and they also stated that nobody deserves sex more than another person. > > I stated, that to the extent that people do actually have sex (not that they should) and they state something is wrong; then in order to be accountable to representing the wrongness of it, some people necessarily deserve the sex more than others. > > What I think is very cute, is that if a woman went out of her way to demonstrate that she is a nice person, tons of men would have sex with her… you’re actually arguing that women are evil, without even realizing it. That’s why I said it was cute. > [@Forest\_Green](#): > > I said, to the extent that people are having sex!!! > > And to the extent that those people having sex, say something is wrong!!! > > Then, to be accountable to that!!! > > It follows that some people deserve sex more than others!!! (from the pool of people who are also having sex - or desire it) What the fuck are you even talking about?.. ---
**Author:** ![Forest\_Green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Forest\_Green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Forest_Green)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/365 "2017-07-21T17:16:22Z")
To answer you two, by repeating myself. Tomanddeb stated that non-rapists don’t deserve sex more than rapists, assuming they come across as decent people; in fact, even though they say rape is wrong, it is not wrong to them, for people to only have sex with rapists, and never have sex with non-rapists. That is exactly what they argued, to try to make their point, that nobody deserves sex more than another person (in the instance that people are having sex); while still asserting that rape is horrible… It’s a contradiction. I pointed it out. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/366 "2017-07-21T17:16:30Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > Easy as can be actually… use all the data you gather from the service industries, grocery stores, resturaunts, bars… send a variety of men and women and check flirtation of the servers when asking for a service. Someone to count your recycled cans… anything, and check to see who flirts in general, and then immediately ask them to have sex with you if they do. It’s not really fair, but it proves a point. The point isn’t proven until the information is gathered and presented, so unless you have done this your “point” is pointless nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/367 "2017-07-21T17:24:43Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > I said, to the extent that people are having sex!!! > > And to the extent that those people having sex, say something is wrong!!! > > Then, to be accountable to that!!! > > It follows that some people deserve sex more than others!!! (from the pool of people who are also having sex - or desire it) No it does not follow. ---
**Author:** ![Forest\_Green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Forest\_Green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Forest_Green)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/368 "2017-07-21T17:27:32Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The point isn’t proven until the information is gathered and presented, so unless you have done this your “point” is pointless nonsense. I’ve met thousands of different waitresses, waiters, bartenders and cashiers in every business imaginable, I’ve seen hot women stand in line and I’ve seen hot men stand in line, I’ve watched the servers and the customers… I’ve seen less attractive men and women stand in line… women flirt WAY more than men do, whether the person is attractive or unattractive, way more… In the instance the man does flirt, I am sure at least 80% of them would accept an offer of sex right on the spot, even ones who have partners… that’s based on other studies. Women, based on those same studies, will be 0%. But don’t believe your eyes, even though you too have seen thousands of people… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/369 "2017-07-21T17:33:07Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > I’ve met thousands of different waitresses, waiters, bartenders and cashiers in every business imaginable, I’ve seen hot women stand in line and I’ve seen hot men stand in line, I’ve watched the servers and the customers… I’ve seen less attractive men and women stand in line… women flirt WAY more than men do, whether the person is attractive or unattractive, way more… I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate… ---
**Author:** ![Forest\_Green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Forest\_Green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Forest_Green)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/370 "2017-07-21T17:34:57Z")
I also really want to repeat this, because I think it is hilarious!! The hypocrisy is so horrible, that I actually find it funny… People say to me, that by explaining that I am a decent person, who works to deserve sex as much as I can, would be a massive turn-off to women… I actually don’t disagree with them… What I find totally hilarious, is that a woman doing the same thing, will actually open more, not less sexual doors with men. What’s funny about that; is by making this argument; you are actually arguing that women are by definition, sexually evil; and men are less so… In trying to shame me, you lost your argument… ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/371 "2017-07-21T17:36:23Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > To answer you two, by repeating myself. > > Tomanddeb stated that non-rapists don’t deserve sex more than rapists, assuming they come across as decent people; in fact, even though they say rape is wrong, it is not wrong to them, for people to only have sex with rapists, and never have sex with non-rapists. > > That is exactly what they argued, to try to make their point, that nobody deserves sex more than another person (in the instance that people are having sex); while still asserting that rape is horrible… > > It’s a contradiction. I pointed it out. I’m fairly certain that you made all that up. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/372 "2017-07-21T17:36:42Z")
> [@Forest\_Green](#): > > I’ve met thousands of different waitresses, waiters, bartenders and cashiers in every business imaginable, I’ve seen hot women stand in line and I’ve seen hot men stand in line, I’ve watched the servers and the customers… I’ve seen less attractive men and women stand in line… women flirt WAY more than men do, whether the person is attractive or unattractive, way more… > > In the instance the man does flirt, I am sure at least 80% of them would accept an offer of sex right on the spot, even ones who have partners… that’s based on other studies. > > Women, based on those same studies, will be 0%. > > But don’t believe your eyes, even though you too have seen thousands of people… Can you cite one other person in the world that has come to the same conclusions as you after observing thousands of people? If not, the sane conclusion to make would be that your conclusions are(at best) faulty and need reevaluating. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/373 "2017-07-21T17:39:10Z")
You’ve never conducted a study, admit it. You pulled the % out of your ass. That said, your anecdotal observations revealed noting new or surprising with respect to the well established bahaviour that, on average, women are much more selective about sex opportunities/partners than men. What’s surprising is that any of this is surprising to you. What species did you say you were again? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/374 "2017-07-21T17:40:48Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate… I saw Batman kill the Joker once, _and millions of other people have seen the exact same thing!_ ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610/375 "2017-07-21T17:50:28Z")
Rather than try to sort out productive debate among the wheat and the chaff, I’m just going to lock this. There’s probably a few borderline rule stuff going on here, so I’ll just remind everyone to please play nice in the future. [/moderating [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-ethics/791610.md?page=18)