# Solution to USA Mass shootings **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 17, 2019, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391 "2019-09-17T17:44:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391/141 "2019-09-20T17:27:43Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The Justice dept can ask the police dept to not give out the names of the shooters. If the police agencies comply, there would be no need for the FCC to regulate “broadcast media” since the “broadcast media” wouldn’t know the names either. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391/142 "2019-09-20T17:30:44Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Why are you against a idea that could save thousands of lives? An interesting idea proposed by a few handpicked people that has never been tested. Two questions: 1. If this plan is tried and fails, what is your next step? 2. How far down your list is “Maybe it is time to slow down the flow of firearms.”? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391/143 "2019-09-20T17:32:21Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > If the police agencies comply, there would be no need for the FCC to regulate “broadcast media” since the “broadcast media” wouldn’t know the names either. If the police stopped releasing names, the shooters would send out emails to all their racist/incel buddies and tell them what they were planning to do. From there the names would spread to reddits and blogs, along with a juicy ‘the FAKE NEWS is trying to Hide the FACTS but We cann’t BE STOPPED!!!’ ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391/144 "2019-09-20T17:34:50Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > “For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.” -H.L. Mencken > > You have handpicked voices that you think agree with your overly simple solution, ignoring the fact that not all are scientists in the field necessary to make such judgments, ignoring the fact that some of your picks aren’t as clearly in your camp as you think they are, and ignoring the fact that for every voice you choose to point out there are at least ten that disagree with you, and then you try to persuade us that science and scientists as a whole agree with your premise. > Not good enough. Yes, like gun control. I havent seen any other cites, so where are those mythical ten? So far, I have seen …zero. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391/145 "2019-09-20T17:34:51Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > If the police agencies comply, there would be no need for the FCC to regulate “broadcast media” since the “broadcast media” wouldn’t know the names either. But the idea that the identity of the assailant is known only to police, and is a well-kept secret to everyone else, is facile. The survivors of the attack may recognize the person, the person may have talked about his plans with friends, or the family/coworkers will know that they haven’t seen John since last night and oh my god did he do this? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391/146 "2019-09-20T17:34:55Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > If the police stopped releasing names, the shooters would send out emails to all their racist/incel buddies and tell them what they were planning to do. From there the names would spread to reddits and blogs, along with a juicy ‘the FAKE NEWS is trying to Hide the FACTS but We cann’t BE STOPPED!!!’ Maybe. But at least it wouldn’t be on the 4 channels of “Broadcast Media” that the FCC can control! Luckily, nobody watches CNN or reads newspapers, or surfs the Internet, or anything like that, so nobody would know the names. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391/147 "2019-09-20T17:36:00Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Create the news hole, and that hole will be filled by those who see profit in it. I don’t know where you got the idea that they have been “shamed” into anything. OK, so where is the hole that was filled by the names of rape victims? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391/148 "2019-09-20T17:39:05Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > “For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.” -H.L. Mencken > [@DrDeth](#): > > Yes, like gun control. Yeah, when I think about implementing gun control the first word that comes to mind is “simple”. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391/149 "2019-09-20T17:39:20Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > OK, so where is the hole that was filled by the names of rape victims? My guess is nobody sees a profit in publishing the names of rape victims. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391/150 "2019-09-20T17:42:07Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > If the police agencies comply, there would be no need for the FCC to regulate “broadcast media” since the “broadcast media” wouldn’t know the names either. Great! ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391/151 "2019-09-20T17:44:31Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > My guess is nobody sees a profit in publishing the names of rape victims. There’s also a conspicuous lack of people who are interested in people knowing the names of rape victims. The perpetrators in this situation try to hide their crime because they intend to survive it and don’t want to go to jail - they’re most definitely not interested in seeking fame as a rapist. And when a rape victim wants you to know their name, you hear their name. See the various public accusations of public figures. It doesn’t seem like comparing this to a situation where the criminals are explicitly asserted as _wanting_ fame for their crimes is going to yield a valid analogy. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391/152 "2019-09-20T17:44:34Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > An interesting idea proposed by a few handpicked people that has never been tested. > Two questions: > > 1. If this plan is tried and fails, what is your next step? > 2. How far down your list is “Maybe it is time to slow down the flow of firearms.”? Well, as we have said before we have tried gun control here in the USA, and it didnt work, but your solution seems to be double down with more! You are now just repeating yourself. You really dont read these threads do you? :rolleyes: Like I said, let’s try it and see. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391/153 "2019-09-20T17:45:21Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Great! Great! I’m all for the DOJ suggesting to every law enforcement agency that they not release the names of mass shooters. Let me know where to sign the petition. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391/154 "2019-09-20T17:48:07Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > There’s also a conspicuous lack of people who are interested in people knowing the names of rape victims. > > … > > It doesn’t seem like comparing this to a situation where the criminals are explicitly asserted as _wanting_ fame for their crimes is going to yield a valid analogy. Everyone here has said they dont want to know the names of the killers. thereby “There’s also a conspicuous lack of people who are interested in people knowing the names of mass killers” The _dead_ criminals? Mass shooters almost never survive. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391/155 "2019-09-20T17:48:45Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Well, as we have said before we have tried gun control here in the USA, and it didnt work, but your solution seems to be double down with more! > > You are now just repeating yourself. > > You really dont read these threads do you? :rolleyes: > Like I said, let’s try it and see. Okey Dokey! I propose we test drive it in Seattle, and if it works there we will expand it to the state of Washington, and if it works there we will add other states, and if it continues to work we expand it until the entire United States is covered. Sound good to you? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391/156 "2019-09-20T17:49:14Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Everyone here has said they dont want to know the names of the killers. thereby “There’s also a conspicuous lack of people who are interested in people knowing the names of mass killers” > > The _dead_ criminals? Mass shooters almost never survive. Okay. Typing slow here. The Shooters Can Release Their Names Before They’re Dead . ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391/157 "2019-09-20T17:50:38Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Well, as we have said before we have tried gun control here in the USA, and it didnt work, but your solution seems to be double down with more! Is there a time in recent history in which the number of guns owned actually went down? I don’t know. I don’t think so. But it’s hard to say “gun control has been tried” if every year the number of guns in the country is going up. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391/158 "2019-09-20T17:51:23Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Okay. Typing slow here. > > The > Shooters > Can > Release > Their > Names > Before > They’re > Dead > . Easy fix for that one: A new law that makes it illegal for mass shooters to release their name before their mass shooting occurs. Problem solved! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391/159 "2019-09-20T17:52:26Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Well, as we have said before we have tried gun control here in the USA, and it didnt work, but your solution seems to be double down with more! > > You are now just repeating yourself. > > You really dont read these threads do you? :rolleyes: Your assertion that " we have tried gun control here in the USA, and it didnt work" - I’m assuming this is your “Chicago” argument again - has been unpicked every time you mention it, but your solution seems to be to double down with it again. You are now repeating yourself. You really don’t read these threads, do you? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391/160 "2019-09-20T17:54:50Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > OK, so where is the hole that was filled by the names of rape victims? Haven’t they been violated enough? What are you even saying here? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/solution-to-usa-mass-shootings/840391.md?page=9)