# Somalian Pirates Seize US Crew -- Is It On? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 8, 2009, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397 "2009-04-08T15:10:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397/281 "2009-04-11T04:08:27Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > American warships have seized control of the area, and are apparently negotiating with the lifeboat, which has limited resources for food/water and a radio with a battery that’s dying every time it’s used. > > The warships, as impressive as they may be, can’t really do shit right now. I disagree with the idea that we aren’t doing anything right now. The Navy is trying to control the area to prevent other pirates from joining the fray, the FBI is on sight with a hostage negotiation team and I would imagine that a number of rescue senarios are being assembled. It’s not like we don’t have an arsenal of toys to play with and trained people to use them. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397/282 "2009-04-11T07:11:02Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I knew it took forever to stop such a ship, but thought that perhaps the trough or wave created by such a manuver would seriously screw up the operation of a small boat along the side. You would be amazed. I know I am. I have a small sailboat and any time a jerk in a small speedboat speeds by it makes waves that rock my boat like crazy. And the huge container ships can go by me and they barely make a wave. Those hull shapes have been optimized like you would not believe it. I believe bulbous bows make a huge difference. When you see those huge ships up close you understand the enormity of the masses involved and the energy and time needed to change anything. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397/283 "2009-04-11T08:09:22Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > The warships, as impressive as they may be, can’t really do shit right now. > > And now it’s a stalemate between awesome naval power and a dinghy. > > Amazing. > > And we don’t care. Pffffffffttttt. Speak for yourself. Who said we don’t care? If we judge by the amount of huffing and puffing in this thread I do not believe that assertion stands. Saying we should probably be careful and tread lightly is not the same as not caring. Going in with guns blazing does not mean you care more, it probably means you care less about damage and consequences. Fools rush into places where angels fear to tread and all that. As has already been said, this problem has existed for ages and many ships and crews from many countries have been hijacked in the past but Americans did not care in the least until it involved American interests. > [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > I didn’t bother to read any of your cites, That figures. Why read anything which probably does not support your position? > [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > but you and **Sailors** blanket generalizing of what you in your warped perceptions to apply to all of America, including myself, is insulting to say the least. Your reading comprehension needs a tuneup. Everybody else has been able to understand that is exactly what I did not say. > [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > I am not defending anyone or anything, or really any administration of the US government. Yes you are. You are denying my claims that America and Americans are more prone to use violence or suggest using violence to resolve problems than people of other countries. And the evidence is overwhelming that Americans and America will generally resort to violence much sooner than other advanced nations. And when evidence is presented you ignore it and play victim pretending we are “attacking America” rather than talking about something very objective and specific which may be true or not true but you cannot prove it is not true so you act offended saying we hate America and then say you refuse to continue the exchange. Of course you refuse to continue, because you have no way of showing the assertion is not true and you do not want to admit the evidence. > [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > I think you and other expats need to get off your freaking high horse before you go throwing condemnation around on an entire nation because you’re convinced you know right from wrong, without knowing the nuances of a situation. That’s just rich on so many levels because in this thread it is the cowboys who want to just go in shooting and kill everybody who are immune to reason and nuance. So, what do _you_ think are the nuances we are missing? Why don’t you explain them? Or is this like Bush saying “just trust me, I know what I am doing”? > [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Fuck it, I don’t know why I bother. You obviously don’t. You are not even trying to defend any particular viewpoint except that nothing bad can be said about America, that those who say anything negative are America haters who should go away and that we should not talk about these things because you do not like to face them because they make you uncomfortable. If being called a dog killer makes a person uncomfortable then the best way to get people to stop calling him dog killer is to stop killing dogs. But continuing to kill dogs and acting offended and changing the subject does not change the underlying truth of things. > [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > As an American, I am in an indefensible position no matter what I say. I know its Easter but just get off the cross. Nope. Many Americans have openly condemned the bad things done by the American government and they seem to be able to defend their positions quite well. And they don’t hate America. I would say they love America the way it should be loved: wanting to make America the best place it can be. You are in an indefensible position because you are defending indefensible actions, that’s why. Since you can’t defend them you act offended and say you don’t want to talk about it any more. Well, if you don’t want to defend your arguments then maybe you should have let things go by without comment. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397/284 "2009-04-11T08:19:59Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I disagree with the idea that we aren’t doing anything right now. The Navy is trying to control the area to prevent other pirates from joining the fray, the FBI is on sight with a hostage negotiation team and I would imagine that a number of rescue senarios are being assembled. It’s not like we don’t have an arsenal of toys to play with and trained people to use them. There has been an international task force operation for quite some time now. > [@](#): > > [http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jLgPHw2VhfA8ouo\_uDwko7AZbGvwD97EBNDG2](http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jLgPHw2VhfA8ouo_uDwko7AZbGvwD97EBNDG2) > > There are about two dozen warships at any one time on international anti-piracy patrols off the Horn of Africa. The following ships are currently off Somalia: > > - The U.S.-led Combined Task Force 151 normally has about a dozen vessels on station off Somalia, but this number varies considerably. Its flagship, the amphibious assault ship USS Boxer, can carry up to 42 aircraft and about 1,800 Marines. > > - The NATO flotilla, known as Standing NATO Maritime Group 1, comprises 5 ships. > > - Portuguese frigate NRP Corte Real, flotilla flagship; > - Canadian frigate HMCS Winnipeg; > - Dutch frigate HNLMS De Zeven Provincien; > - Spanish frigate ESPS Blas de Lezo; > - The frigate USS Halyburton. > > - The European Union task force consists of 5 vessels: > > - Spanish frigate SPS Numancia, the task force flagship; > - Spanish fleet tanker SPS Marquis de la Ensenada; > - French frigate FS Floreal; > - German supply ship FGS Spessart; > - German frigate Rheinland-Pfalz. > > Other forces contributing ships to the international anti-piracy patrols include the Chinese, Indian, Malaysian, Russian and Japanese navies. Just yesterday the Spanish frigate Numancia prevented pirates from boarding the ‘MSC Lucía’ by firing their guns, then pursuing them and capturing them. [Link in Spanish](http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2009/04/10/internacional/1239383767.html) Just some days ago pirates picked on the wrong ship: > [@](#): > > [http://news.sky.com/skynews/](http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Somali-Pirates-In-Gulf-Of-Aden-Attack-German-Naval-Ship-By-Mistake/Article/200903415252116?lpos=World_News_First_Home_Article_Teaser_Region_4&lid=ARTICLE_15252116_Somali_Pirates_In_Gulf_Of_Aden_Attack_German_Naval_Ship_By_Mistake) > > Pirates’ Shock As They Pick On The Wrong Ship > > A group of pirates got a nasty surprise when they attacked a merchant ship - that turned out to be a German naval vessel. > > The pirates fired at the FGS Spessart in the Gulf of Aden, under the impression they were striking a commercial carrier but were met with return fire from German sailors. > > The German naval ship then pursued the pirate boat along with other vessels including Greek, Dutch and Spanish naval ships as well as a Spanish marine aircraft and US marine choppers. > > A Nato spokesman said: “Poor judgment by the pirates turned out to be a real opportunity for seven nations representing three task forces to work together and strike a momentous blow for maritime safety and security.” > > After five hours of pursuit, Greek sailors reached the pirates, boarded their boat and seized their weapons. So, there has been a lot more going on than most Americans are aware of. Only now its an American ship. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397/285 "2009-04-11T09:02:37Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > There has been an international task force operation for quite some time now. You misunderstood what I said. I was referring to this specific event. American vessels are trying to stop pirates from joining up with those holding the Captain in question. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397/286 "2009-04-11T10:56:13Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > You misunderstood what I said. I was referring to this specific event. American vessels are trying to stop pirates from joining up with those holding the Captain in question. No, I was not contradicting you but complementing the information. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397/287 "2009-04-11T13:47:48Z")
I understand that the logistics of “kicking ass” might not be so easy. Still, an attack on Americans anywhere is an attack on Americans everywhere, in my opinion. In the sense that any steps which can be read as capitulation will fund and incentivize further attacks. The American navy is so strong, there must be something we can do. We were a lot weaker back in the days of the Barbary pirate problem. I’m not an expert, but the idea of deploying Q Ships sounds pretty good to me. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397/288 "2009-04-11T14:39:22Z")
\*\*Sailor’\*\*s link above references a pirate attack on a German warship that resulted in a chasedown where the pirates were eventually caught and boarded by a Greek ship, at which point they took their weapons. What happened after that? Did they just let them go? I think they should arrest these guys and sink their boats. And if they do arrest pirates, how and where are they tried for their crimes? ---
**Author:** ![ajb867](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@ajb867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ajb867)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397/289 "2009-04-11T14:52:13Z")
[http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090411/ap\_on\_re\_af/piracy;\_ylt=AueISHuFAhwhgSGeAsjHn68DW7oF](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090411/ap_on_re_af/piracy;_ylt=AueISHuFAhwhgSGeAsjHn68DW7oF) Just kill them all already. This is not cute like in the movies. There should be no happy 10+ million dollar ending for these guys. Just a warm then cold watery grave. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397/290 "2009-04-11T15:42:09Z")
> [@ajb867](#): > > Just kill them all already. This is not cute like in the movies. Hey, you wouldn’t happen to be American by any chance would you? 😉 Killing people who are your prisoners is a crime. Just saying. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397/291 "2009-04-11T15:57:59Z")
> [@ajb867](#): > > [http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090411/ap\_on\_re\_af/piracy;\_ylt=AueISHuFAhwhgSGeAsjHn68DW7oF](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090411/ap_on_re_af/piracy;_ylt=AueISHuFAhwhgSGeAsjHn68DW7oF) > > Just kill them all already. This is not cute like in the movies. There should be no happy 10+ million dollar ending for these guys. Just a warm then cold watery grave. Another one? Jesus these guys seem to be everywhere! ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397/292 "2009-04-11T17:17:01Z")
> [@ajb867](#): > > [http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090411/ap\_on\_re\_af/piracy;\_ylt=AueISHuFAhwhgSGeAsjHn68DW7oF](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090411/ap_on_re_af/piracy;_ylt=AueISHuFAhwhgSGeAsjHn68DW7oF) > > Just kill them all already. This is not cute like in the movies. There should be no happy 10+ million dollar ending for these guys. Just a warm then cold watery grave. Heh… from your article: > [@](#): > > A second Somali man who said he had spoken by satellite phone to a pirate piloting a seized German freighter told the AP by phone Saturday that the pirate captain had reported being blocked by U.S. forces and was returning Saturday to the pirate stronghold of Harardhere. > > Speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals, the Somali man said the pirate captain told him the ship was in sight of a U.S. Navy destroyer Saturday morning local time, received a U.S. warning not to come any closer and, fearing attack, left the scene without ever seeing the lifeboat. But the [New York Times](http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/world/africa/12somalia.html?hpw) reports that… > [@](#): > > In the meantime, Pirates on a German ship with 24 foreign hostages said on Saturday they had returned to the Somali coast after failing to locate the scene of a standoff involving Captain Phillips, who is being held on a drifting lifeboat. > > The pirates had hoped to use the hijacked 20,000-ton container vessel, Hansa Stavanger, as a shield to reach fellow pirates holding the American captain far out in the Indian Ocean. > > "We have come back to Haradheere coast,” one pirate on the German ship, who identified himself as Suleiman, told Reuters. “We could not locate the lifeboat."The German ship was seized off south Somalia between Kenya and the Seychelles and has a crew of 24. I’m happy that the Pirate Rescue Convoy decided to go home instead but chuckled at the pirate version of “Wee… umm… couldn’t find them.” I’m not clever enough to be the first to think of this but what are the obvious issues I’m missing with trying to put a hole or two in the bottom of the lifeboat and scooping everyone out from the water? I mean, I realize that this wouldn’t make the pirates very happy but, at that point, shooting the captain and getting taken with blood on your hands by an angry US Navy wouldn’t seem very productive. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397/293 "2009-04-11T17:25:58Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Heh… from your article:But the [New York Times](http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/world/africa/12somalia.html?hpw) reports that…I’m happy that the Pirate Rescue Convoy decided to go home instead but chuckled at the pirate version of “Wee… umm… couldn’t find them.” > > **I’m not clever enough to be the first to think of this but what are the obvious issues I’m missing with trying to put a hole or two in the bottom of the lifeboat and scooping everyone out from the water? I mean, I realize that this wouldn’t make the pirates very happy but, at that point, shooting the captain and getting taken with blood on your hands by an angry US Navy wouldn’t seem very productive**. I was just wondering something similar. I was thinking that perhaps they could capsize the boat with a team of SEALS or a small submarine and catch them unawares? Grab the captain out of the water and capture the pirates? ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397/294 "2009-04-11T17:48:33Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I’m not clever enough to be the first to think of this but what are the obvious issues I’m missing with trying to put a hole or two in the bottom of the lifeboat and scooping everyone out from the water? I mean, I realize that this wouldn’t make the pirates very happy but, at that point, shooting the captain and getting taken with blood on your hands by an angry US Navy wouldn’t seem very productive. I was also wondering about just shooting a hole in the lifeboat, but **FoieGrasIsEvil** ’s suggestion sounds better. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397/295 "2009-04-11T18:01:53Z")
I think this is a waiting game where the hijackers will finally have to give in. They will start to get tired, hungry and thirsty and at that point sooner or later they will just give in. That is one thing in favor of treating people who surrender fairly: it makes surrender an attractive alternative. If they know their fate is torture or death then they would rather go down fighting and taking with them as many as they can. At any rate it seems the Bainbridge lost a precious opportunity to intervene when the captain jumped in the water. What a boo boo. ---
**Author:** ![Henrichek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/5daacb/32.png) [@Henrichek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henrichek)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397/296 "2009-04-11T18:12:46Z")
Seems like they got another American crewed ship now. > **[BBC NEWS | Africa | Somali pirates seize another boat](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7994980.stm)** > > A tug with 16 people on board is hijacked in the Gulf of Aden, as a standoff continues over a US captain taken hostage. ---
**Author:** ![Henrichek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/5daacb/32.png) [@Henrichek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henrichek)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397/297 "2009-04-11T18:21:10Z")
> [@Henrichek](#): > > Seems like they got another American crewed ship now. > > [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7994980.stm](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7994980.stm) Sorry, the news item seems to have change since I saw it earlier. The crew seems to be 10 Italian, and 6 apparently not important enough to be mentioned. It is US owned and Italian flagged it seems. This naval business seems complicated. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397/298 "2009-04-11T18:22:25Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > I think this is a waiting game where the hijackers will finally have to give in. They will start to get tired, hungry and thirsty and at that point sooner or later they will just give in. That is one thing in favor of treating people who surrender fairly: it makes surrender an attractive alternative. If they know their fate is torture or death then they would rather go down fighting and taking with them as many as they can. > > At any rate it seems the Bainbridge lost a precious opportunity to intervene when the captain jumped in the water. What a boo boo. I don’t think that the Bainbridge had any time to do anything since they are apparently maintaining a few hundred yard distance from the lifeboat (one of the articles mentions that this distance is being kept to keep Bainbridge safe from small arms fire, but I doubt the pirates are going to go that route) and at that distance, there wasn’t much they could do. It sounded like the Maersk captain jumped in the water and was almost immediately recaptured when the pirates started shooting their AK’s at him as he tried to swim away. He probably just stopped swimming and went back to the boat as he saw that the pirates would shoot him before he could get far enough away. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397/299 "2009-04-11T19:54:05Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Another possibility is to prevent shipping companies from paying ransoms. Once a ship is hijacked, the incentive for the company is to pay even though that encourages future piracy. And so perhaps we force the shippers to eat the cost of a few sunken ships and a few crews massacred. Remove the choice to pay the ransom and you’ll find fewer people lining up to demand a ransom. Aside from being a completely asinine suggestion, how would you prevent one entity from paying another? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397/300 "2009-04-11T20:28:33Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Aside from being a completely asinine suggestion, how would you prevent one entity from paying another? I’m not sure, but you may find this article interesting: [http://www.nytimes.com/1998/02/01/world/italian-ban-on-paying-kidnappers-stirs-anger.html](http://www.nytimes.com/1998/02/01/world/italian-ban-on-paying-kidnappers-stirs-anger.html) > [@](#): > > But under Italian law, families are barred from paying ransom or negotiating with kidnappers, except with the permission of a prosecutor and the cooperation of the police. In fact, the 1991 law, unique to Italy, goes one step further and imposes an automatic and obligatory freeze on assets belonging to the kidnapped victim’s family. > > . . . > > Defenders of the law note that since its passage, the number of kidnappings has plummeted. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somalian-pirates-seize-us-crew-is-it-on/492397.md?page=16)