# Some Bernie supporters are really starting to get annoying **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 11, 2016, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082 "2016-06-11T03:00:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![elliott](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b5ac83/32.png) [@elliott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elliott)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082/41 "2016-06-11T19:53:40Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > I think that’s one of the great advantages of the American system. Even if you have to vote for the lesser of two evils, you don’t have anyone becoming President with 30% of American voters choosing them. Sometimes I don’t like the person my fellow Americans have picked - but at least it tends to be fairly clear that America has picked him (or her) (the exception is Bush/Gore - but then, there is a prevailing opinion that the reason that wasn’t clear was a third party candidate). > > American Presidents have a lot more power than other forms of government. They weren’t really intended to have that much power - but the idiotic frat boys who were our Founding Fathers needed George Washington to keep them in line and the country together. John Adams was sort of a non-entity as a President, but Jefferson had a cult of personality and an ego the size of Virginia - and those men shaped the Presidency. By the time you get to the non-entities (I’d say starting around Harrison), you had a powerful head of state. Is only 30% of the popular vote worse than 50% if people are forced to box themselves in? Transferable votes are easily the best system in my opinion, allowing people to rank candidates in order of preference. It adds way more paperwork and can be harder to manage, but its easily the most fair way to allow people to pick someone. Using a similar system in the primaries could’ve led to someone like trump falling through. In the general, it would allow 3rd parties to receive votes without tanking the main parties chances. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082/42 "2016-06-11T19:55:32Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > I don’t agree with the dues thing, but that is how much of the rest of the world with multiple parties does it. We have - relative to other places - a very open primary system. There aren’t any actual dues. You just sign up when you register. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082/43 "2016-06-11T22:39:44Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > There aren’t any actual dues. You just sign up when you register. I know, and I don’t think there should be dues, but many other countries do have dues. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082/44 "2016-06-11T23:06:53Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > There aren’t any actual dues. You just sign up when you register. That depends. In my state (WA) there’s no place for party registration or preference when you register to vote. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082/45 "2016-06-11T23:26:19Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > That depends. In my state (WA) there’s no place for party registration or preference when you register to vote. Ok. But still no dues, right? > [@Dangerosa](#): > > I know, and I don’t think there should be dues, but many other countries do have dues. Sure- I was just to clarify for the US since it seemed unclear. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082/46 "2016-06-11T23:54:01Z")
> [@elliott](#): > > Is only 30% of the popular vote worse than 50% if people are forced to box themselves in? Transferable votes are easily the best system in my opinion, allowing people to rank candidates in order of preference. It adds way more paperwork and can be harder to manage, but its easily the most fair way to allow people to pick someone. Using a similar system in the primaries could’ve led to someone like trump falling through. In the general, it would allow 3rd parties to receive votes without tanking the main parties chances. You are always going to box yourself in - limitless candidates don’t run. It isn’t a matter of a third party, but a forth, a fifth, a sixteenth. And you’ll still end up with candidates that are crappy - well, I like their positions, except this one. Or, the party I most closely identify with nominated them, but they are personally abhorrent. It allows the strongest minority opinion to hold power. And I’m not sure I’d like those results. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082/47 "2016-06-12T00:01:01Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > That depends. In my state (WA) there’s no place for party registration or preference when you register to vote. That’s correct, but when we recently voted in the primary, we had to pick one party and say something about wanted to be affiliated with that party. I don’t recall the exact language. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082/48 "2016-06-12T00:17:31Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > American Presidents have a lot more power than other forms of government. More power than which other forms of government? Not the Prime Minister in a Westminster style government. The PM of the UK or Canada have much more power within their constitutional system than the President of the US does in the US system. The PM controls the legislative agenda in Parliament, for one thing, so the PM and his party normally can get their election platform through Parliament. They also control the budget process in a way that the President does not. The budget is proposed by the PM and the Government. It has to pass Parliament, but the PM and the Government set the parameters. In what way do you think the President of the US is more powerful than other chief executives, within their respective political systems? ---
**Author:** ![elliott](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b5ac83/32.png) [@elliott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elliott)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082/49 "2016-06-12T00:18:13Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > You are always going to box yourself in - limitless candidates don’t run. It isn’t a matter of a third party, but a forth, a fifth, a sixteenth. And you’ll still end up with candidates that are crappy - well, I like their positions, except this one. Or, the party I most closely identify with nominated them, but they are personally abhorrent. It allows the strongest minority opinion to hold power. And I’m not sure I’d like those results. true, but presumably you’d have results that twice as accurately reflect the beliefs of americans if you had 4 parties instead of 2. With 7-10 real parties, you’d be able to let everyone have a pretty good way of expressing their beliefs, compared to the current system which clumps economic and social conservatism for some dumbass reason. Hell, even if it was just Libertarian, Republican, Democrat, Green, and one of the Socialist parties you’d have a pretty solid differentiation between the different voting blocks and you’d be able to more accurately say “Americans want _this_”. Really the only people who’d be left out in the 4-5 way race above would be AnCaps and AnComs, but its not like they couldn’t make a party either if they had the support. ---
**Author:** ![DoggyDunnit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@DoggyDunnit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoggyDunnit)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082/50 "2016-06-12T00:23:02Z")
I’m a former Democrat, current independent, with both right-wing (mainly social) and left-wing (mainly economic) views, and Bernie guy turned Trump supporter… figured I’d chime in. 🙂 I am a firm believer that Bernie was hosed by the Democratic Party at all levels, from the national to the local. Debbie Wasserman Schultz did more than have her finger on the scale in Hillary’s favor, she had her entire ass firmly planted on it. The simple fact is, fuck “compromise”. I just can’t bring myself to even entertain the thought of voting for Hillary. Said thought would likely cause me to lose my most recently eaten meal. She epitomizes “establishment”–and the establishment in neither party gives a rat’s hiney about people like myself. I know this first-hand, because I actually **worked** for the Democratic Party for years. The level of corrupt bullshit that goes on within those walls would make Mayor Quimby blush. They can go to hell. And hopefully Hillary ends up in the Federal pen. I’m a Trump guy for [the same reason Chris Ketcham is](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/09/anarchists-for-donald-trump-let-the-empire-burn.html). We need radical change in this country, and it’s looking like the only way that is a possibility is if there’s a major cataclysm, brought on by someone like… well, like Trump. Plus, on some issues, he and I share views: I’m all for that wall, and I’m all for mass deportation. ---
**Author:** ![DoggyDunnit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@DoggyDunnit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoggyDunnit)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082/51 "2016-06-12T00:26:52Z")
In short, you can’t “compromise” with criminals and those who literally view certain American citizens–our version of caste system “untouchables”–as not only worthless, but as _less than human_. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082/52 "2016-06-12T00:55:54Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > The simple fact is, fuck “compromise”. I just can’t bring myself to even entertain the thought of voting for Hillary. Said thought would likely cause me to lose my most recently eaten meal. She epitomizes “establishment”–and the establishment in neither party gives a rat’s hiney about people like myself. I know this first-hand, because I actually **worked** for the Democratic Party for years. The level of corrupt bullshit that goes on within those walls would make Mayor Quimby blush. They can go to hell. And hopefully Hillary ends up in the Federal pen. > > I’m a Trump guy for [the same reason Chris Ketcham is](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/09/anarchists-for-donald-trump-let-the-empire-burn.html). We need radical change in this country, and it’s looking like the only way that is a possibility is if there’s a major cataclysm, brought on by someone like… well, like Trump. Plus, on some issues, he and I share views: I’m all for that wall, and I’m all for mass deportation. So, just out of curiosity, when it _does_ come to a major cataclysm and a revolution, you think it’s going to be the _liberals_ who come out on top? The guys who are pro-gun-control and, on average, aren’t big on violence or gun ownership? What’s more, you think that the current status quo is _so bad_, that it’s so irreparably corrupt, that “blow it all up and start over” is worth the _incredible_ collateral damage that would bring with it? Also, on a related question, what the fuck is wrong with you? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082/53 "2016-06-12T00:59:04Z")
Few people who advocate burning it all down, including anarchists, think they’ll be that badly impacted if it happens, nor do many care about who would be. They’d suffer the same no matter what happens, they figure, so if it does, how is that my fault? ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082/54 "2016-06-12T01:00:05Z")
Sure, shit will be bad. But then the establishment will _finally_ care about people like him–which I assume is poorly educated white men, just going by Trump’s general demo. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082/55 "2016-06-12T01:05:00Z")
C’mon guys, look at all those other times in history when the have-nots came out on top after everything went to hell! CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082/56 "2016-06-12T01:09:18Z")
Some Bernie haters are really annoying, too. And? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082/57 "2016-06-12T02:08:32Z")
_shrug_ Bernie wasn’t a Dem until he ran for president. Fuck 'im. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082/58 "2016-06-12T02:31:57Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > I’m a Trump guy for [the same reason Chris Ketcham is](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/09/anarchists-for-donald-trump-let-the-empire-burn.html). We need radical change in this country, and it’s looking like the only way that is a possibility is if there’s a major cataclysm, brought on by someone like… well, like Trump. Plus, on some issues, he and I share views: I’m all for that wall, and I’m all for mass deportation. People who believe in “heightening the contradictions” are horrible people who are willing to cause vast suffering to everyone in order to get their personal precious political point across. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082/59 "2016-06-12T03:50:25Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > C’mon guys, look at all those other times in history when the have-nots came out on top after everything went to hell! > > CMC fnord! hahahaha. Pretty much. Letting everything go to hell just opens the door for power hungry people to create a new, worse empire. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082/60 "2016-06-12T04:47:07Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > People who believe in “heightening the contradictions” are horrible people who are willing to cause vast suffering to everyone in order to get their personal precious political point across. In 1968 I was one of them. I was 14. I grew up when I saw saw the bitter fruit it bore. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bernie-supporters-are-really-starting-to-get-annoying/757082.md?page=4)