# Some Bibel Questions **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 6, 2011, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564 "2011-01-06T02:06:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Simple\_Mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7cd45c/32.png) [@Simple\_Mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simple_Mind)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564/1 "2011-01-06T02:06:30Z")
Hi, I have been spending sometime on trying to remember stories from my Childhood, mostly Biblical and Religious things which are in fractions in my Mind. For example, I remember something like this, that God had this fight with the Archangels and that the “fallen” Archangel “Lucifer” got a lease on the World for a certain period of time, in which he can do whatever he want’s, so he goes and corrupts the Human with desirous thoughts and greed. When the lease expires God will defeat “Lucifer” and a 1000?Year Peacefull time will be for the Righteous People? An other thing are the other Archangels, the ones who got locked up in “the Ark of the Covenant”? Also something about the “Tower to Babel” and the “Queen of Sheba”? And King Salomon, where are the connections in this stories? I don’t want to read the whole Bible, so I was hopeing to find some enlightment here on the SDM. Thanks:) ---
**Author:** ![Philster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/13edae/32.png) [@Philster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Philster)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564/2 "2011-01-06T02:15:14Z")
Especially see the “Satan as Lucifer” section. It’ll help you out some: > **[Lucifer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer)** > > Lucifer is the Latin name for the morning appearances of the planet Venus. It corresponds to the Greek names Phosphorus Φωσφόρος, "light-bringer", and Eosphorus Ἑωσφόρος, "dawn-bringer". The entity's Latin name was subsequently absorbed into Christianity as a name for the devil. > Modern scholarship generally translates the term in the relevant Bible passage (Isaiah 14:12), where the Greek Septuagint reads ὁ ἑωσφόρος ὁ πρωὶ, as "morning star" or "shining one" rather than as a proper noun, Lucif... . ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564/3 "2011-01-06T02:17:27Z")
I think this is a bit too open-ended for GQ. Although it’s not a debate as yet, since it’s about religion, it will probably end up that was. Let’s try GD. Colibri General Questions Moderator ---
**Author:** ![srzss05](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/898d66/32.png) [@srzss05](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/srzss05)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564/4 "2011-01-06T02:17:37Z")
> [@Simple\_Mind](#): > > I don’t want to read the whole Bible, so I was hopeing to find some enlightment here on the SDM. > Thanks:) Archangels locked up in the Ark of the Covenant? Perhaps you really do need to read the Bible rather than the Cliff Notes version. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564/5 "2011-01-06T02:46:58Z")
A lot of the classic Bible Stories are in the Book of Genesis. You could just read that, it’s not very long. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564/6 "2011-01-06T03:10:17Z")
Nearly everything that people “know” about Satan/Lucifer/The Apocalypse is legend that has grown up around the Bible. Much of it, in fact, comes from Dante’s [Divine Comedy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy) and Milton’s [Paradise Lost](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_lost), neither of which is part of the religious canon (they’re just popular fiction, effectively). Basically whatever you learned as a kid could be any of several thousand options depending not only on your denomination, but who your preacher was and what he fancied. There isn’t really a story for the Ark of the Covenant. God tells the Jews to build it. They do. They stick it in the Temple. Eventually the Temple is destroyed. There’s not much more to it than that, unless I’m grossly misrecalling. Tower of Babel - [http://ebible.org/web/Genesis.htm#C11V1](http://ebible.org/web/Genesis.htm#C11V1) King Solomon and Queen of Sheba - [http://ebible.org/web/1Kings.htm](http://ebible.org/web/1Kings.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564/7 "2011-01-06T04:29:31Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > There isn’t really a story for the Ark of the Covenant. God tells the Jews to build it. They do. They stick it in the Temple. Eventually the Temple is destroyed. There’s not much more to it than that, unless I’m grossly misrecalling. So then where does Indiana Jones come in? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564/8 "2011-01-06T04:32:14Z")
\*\*\*\*That darn Justin Bibel. Cant stand him. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564/9 "2011-01-06T04:54:25Z")
The stuff with Lucifer & the Archangels is extra-biblical. I don’t know who invented it, but it’s not anywhere in the Bible that I’m aware of. Well, maybe some bits in some of the smaller books & Apocrypha, but most people in the English-speaking world get it from Milton as Sage Rat said. The Lease on the World, & its end in a Messianic Age, is from an interpretation of a bit in John’s Apocalypse (aka Revelation). I don’t remember anyone locked up in the Ark of the Covenant, but you may be misremembering something else from the Apocalypse–saints under an altar for some unexplained reason, iirc. The Tower of Babel was a tower in Babel (ancient Babylon) which failed to “reach Heaven”–not really that surprising from the standpoint of modern engineering & planetology. The Queen of Sheba has a moderately extensive extrabiblical mythology, but was probably just a queen from a now-forgotten power of the day. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564/10 "2011-01-06T05:47:58Z")
Is bibel some type of bisexual tort? ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564/11 "2011-01-06T06:19:35Z")
This reminds me of some young teen kids who were asking me about a Bible movie featuring a cow from Hell & about Jesus’ quilt. The quilt was easy enough to figure out but it was months before I realized that the ‘cow from Hell’ was the Judgment against those who worshipped the Golden Calf scene in THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564/12 "2011-01-06T06:47:24Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > This reminds me of some young teen kids who were asking me about a Bible movie featuring a cow from Hell & about Jesus’ quilt. > > The quilt was easy enough to figure out but it was months before I realized that the ‘cow from Hell’ was the Judgment against those who worshipped the Golden Calf scene in THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. Ummm…maybe I’m just particularly dense tonight, but ‘Jesus’ quilt’? All I can come up with is Joseph’s coat of many colors, but I don’t remember that from the movie… ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564/13 "2011-01-06T14:09:58Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Ummm…maybe I’m just particularly dense tonight, but ‘Jesus’ quilt’? > > All I can come up with is Joseph’s coat of many colors, but I don’t remember that from the movie… Sorry, they were two different subjects. Only the Hell-cow was part of the movie. I should have phrased it… This reminds me of some young teen kids who were asking me about Jesus’ quilt & about a Bible movie featuring a cow from Hell. The quilt, of course, was the Shroud. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564/14 "2011-01-06T14:14:34Z")
To the OP- Archangels locked up in the Ark? There were two Cherubim figures on the lid of the Ark. Also, Revelation 9 talks about Four Angels bound at the Euphrates River who have some control over a Demonic Cavalry. Are you thinking about the Biblical accounts of the Glory of God being upon the Ark smiting those who profane it & also the movie “Raiders of the Lost Ark” in which the lid is removed & the Angel of Death smites the Nazis? ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564/15 "2011-01-06T14:33:51Z")
> [@Simple\_Mind](#): > > For example, I remember something like this, that God had this fight with the Archangels and that the “fallen” Archangel “Lucifer” got a lease on the World for a certain period of time, in which he can do whatever he want’s, so he goes and corrupts the Human with desirous thoughts and greed. This sound like it’s from Jonn Milton’s _Paradise Lost_, although I’m not sure about the lease part. It’s not in the Bible. > [@](#): > > When the lease expires God will defeat “Lucifer” and a 1000?Year Peacefull time will be for the Righteous People? The thousand years of peace is part of John’s Apocolypse, aka the Book of Revelation. There are many, many different interpretations of exactly what this means, when it will occur, who will experence it, etc. If you do decide to read any part of the Bible, I don’t recommend starting with Revelation. > [@](#): > > An other thing are the other Archangels, the ones who got locked up in “the Ark of the Covenant”? This is from _Raiders of the Lost Ark_. In the Bible, the only things in the ark are the tablets of the Ten Commandments, some manna, and maybe some other artifacts. There are angels inscribed on the top of the ark. > [@](#): > > Also something about the “Tower to Babel” Read Genesis chapter 11. Basically the men of the city of Babel decide to build a tower to reach heaven, and God prevents this by confusing their language so they can’t talk to each other. This is the Bible’s explanation for the multitude of human languages in the world. > [@](#): > > and the “Queen of Sheba”? And King Salomon, where are the connections in this stories? The Queen of Sheba was a Queen from somewhere in Africa who had dealings with Isreal’s King Solomon. You can read about her visit to Solomon in I Kings chapter 10 or II Chronicles chapter 9. > [@](#): > > I don’t want to read the whole Bible, so I was hopeing to find some enlightment here on the SDM. You don’t have to read the whole thing – most of these stories are less than a few pages if you know where to look. Thanks:) [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564/16 "2011-01-06T14:48:07Z")
> [@Simple\_Mind](#): > > I don’t want to read the whole Bible . . . [The Bible.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible) You will find a short Wikipedia article on each of the 66 books of the canon. Read **those,** or as many as interest you. (Who really wants or needs to know anything about Proverbs? Ecclesiastes is at least interesting as literature, and as the nearest ancient Hebrew culture ever got to philosophy.) They will cover all the highlights – and every interpretation ever placed on them by preachers, scholars or theologians. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564/17 "2011-01-06T14:52:20Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > The Tower of Babel was a tower in Babel (ancient Babylon) which failed to “reach Heaven”–not really that surprising from the standpoint of modern engineering & planetology. The surprising part of that story is that God, who had to peer down really hard even to see the construction site from Heaven, seemed to be genuinely **frightened** that it actually **would** reach Heaven. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564/18 "2011-01-06T14:56:15Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > The Queen of Sheba was a Queen from somewhere in Africa who had dealings with Isreal’s King Solomon. Or from Yemen. Or both, in a kingdom straddling the Bab el Mandeb strait. See [Sheba.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheba) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564/19 "2011-01-06T15:06:23Z")
Given what mankind has done to the world, what are the odds on Lucifer getting his deposit back when the lease is over? ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564/20 "2011-01-06T15:53:19Z")
Since it’s so short, here is the story of Solomon and the Queen of Sheba: > [@II Chronicles 9:1-12](#): > > When the queen of Sheba heard of Solomon’s fame, she came to Jerusalem to test him with hard questions. Arriving with a very great caravan—with camels carrying spices, large quantities of gold, and precious stones—she came to Solomon and talked with him about all she had on her mind. Solomon answered all her questions; nothing was too hard for him to explain to her. When the queen of Sheba saw the wisdom of Solomon, as well as the palace he had built, the food on his table, the seating of his officials, the attending servants in their robes, the cupbearers in their robes and the burnt offerings he made at the temple of the LORD, she was overwhelmed. > > She said to the king, “The report I heard in my own country about your achievements and your wisdom is true. But I did not believe what they said until I came and saw with my own eyes. Indeed, not even half the greatness of your wisdom was told me; you have far exceeded the report I heard. How happy your people must be! How happy your officials, who continually stand before you and hear your wisdom! Praise be to the LORD your God, who has delighted in you and placed you on his throne as king to rule for the LORD your God. Because of the love of your God for Israel and his desire to uphold them forever, he has made you king over them, to maintain justice and righteousness.” > > Then she gave the king 120 talents of gold, large quantities of spices, and precious stones. There had never been such spices as those the queen of Sheba gave to King Solomon. > > (The servants of Hiram and the servants of Solomon brought gold from Ophir; they also brought algumwood and precious stones. The king used the algumwood to make steps for the temple of the LORD and for the royal palace, and to make harps and lyres for the musicians. Nothing like them had ever been seen in Judah.) > > King Solomon gave the queen of Sheba all she desired and asked for; he gave her more than she had brought to him. Then she left and returned with her retinue to her own country. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bibel-questions/566564.md?page=2)