# "Some blacks are just dumb and enjoy killing each other" - no warning issued, Tom? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [August 13, 2018, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511 "2018-08-13T08:18:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511/41 "2018-08-13T19:52:45Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I think \*outright open racism \*should be banned. Which this post was, and no one is denying that. Seems like you are making a circular argument and avoiding the general principle. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511/42 "2018-08-13T20:00:06Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I think \*outright open racism \*should be banned. Which this post was, and no one is denying that. And the following? > [@y'all wypipo need to grow some skin](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/3): > > It’s cute and damned descriptive of a certain stripe of white people who absolutely exist and who predictably will foam at the mouth that any lesser being dares give them a label they did not themselves invent and market test. > [@y'all wypipo need to grow some skin](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/14): > > One great example is the type of white person who insists on calling 911 to report black people existing within their line of sight. Permit Patty and BBQ Becky are total wypipo. Tipoff–that inordinate sense of entitlement. > > Another one would be some fulminating white person frothing over a black football player taking a knee because it dishonors the flag and is disrespecting veterans somehow thereby–while using a flag for a beach towel to sit on. > > Those are def wypipo. > [@Kennedy Retiring from SCOTUS](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kennedy-retiring-from-scotus/816858/151): > > White folks wouldn’t strain to be consistent here. White folks just want to dismantle roll back woman’s rights, roll back gay and lesbian rights, roll back affirmative action, roll back regulations on the environment, etc. Let them; we deserve the government we elect. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511/43 "2018-08-13T20:07:59Z")
It’s egregious racism and the guy should’ve received a clear warning. That would’ve been good for this unseen audience to see. I really am surprised all he got was a history lesson and a finger wag. ---
**Author:** ![DCTrekkie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dctrekkie/32/18862_2.png) [@DCTrekkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCTrekkie)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511/44 "2018-08-13T20:10:52Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > XYZ people are dumb is wrong, bit it’s an opinion. Hate speech must be more than negative sentiment toward a given group. That is how we have treated it in practice. Are you seriously suggesting that “Black people are less intelligent” is not hate speech?!? If this doesn’t merit a warning then what does? Do they have to start throwing “Nigger” around before you take action? People are warned for insults (outside the pit), but you’re quite happy to let this slide? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511/45 "2018-08-13T20:32:29Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And the following? Those are not in discussion here. This post is. And it is open, blatant racism. Don’t try and change the subject with “whataboutsism” . ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511/46 "2018-08-13T20:32:32Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Devil’s advocate: Isn’t a poster like **eg8576736** the reason why we’re all here? Would it help if we could reason with him to change his assumptions? Isn’t his ignorance exactly the thing we’re here to fight? If we just ban him, what does that accomplish? I’m pretty sure most people are here because the board is an enjoyable place to post and read the posts of others. That enjoyment goes down when people with extremely gross viewpoints are allowed to post freely. “But wait!” I hear you thinking, “how can we precisely define what an extremely gross viewpoint is? It’s such a tricky grey area!” Not to fear, I’ve made you a list: Instaban: 1. Pro-pedophilia 2. Stormfront-style racism, e.g. promotes the inferiority of traditionally targeted groups like blacks, Jews, etc. Short leash: 1. Consistently being creepy in a sexual way 2. Trump voters Ha ha, that last one was a joke (kind of), but you see how easy it is? There’s only three items and they’re pretty easy patterns to spot, especially in new posters. And you don’t have to feel bad about not giving these people as many chances as everyone else because they’re fundamentally bad people. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511/47 "2018-08-13T20:34:31Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Seems like you are making a circular argument and avoiding the general principle. I am not discussing a _general principle_. I am discussing the one post, which is open, blatant racism. Let’s not divert this into a general question about where is the line, and what is the line, etc. Here. we can all see the line was crossed. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511/48 "2018-08-13T20:36:44Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Devil’s advocate: Isn’t a poster like **eg8576736** the reason why we’re all here? No? > [@](#): > > Would it help if we could reason with him to change his assumptions? “Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired” > [@](#): > > Isn’t his ignorance exactly the thing we’re here to fight? Racism is not ignorance. > [@](#): > > If we just ban him, what does that accomplish? _Pour encourager les autres_ ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511/49 "2018-08-13T20:37:19Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > I’m pretty sure most people are here because the board is an enjoyable place to post and read the posts of others. That enjoyment goes down when people with extremely gross viewpoints are allowed to post freely. > > “But wait!” I hear you thinking, “how can we precisely define what an extremely gross viewpoint is? It’s such a tricky grey area!” Not to fear, I’ve made you a list: > > Instaban: > > 1. Pro-pedophilia > 2. Stormfront-style racism, e.g. promotes the inferiority of traditionally targeted groups like blacks, Jews, etc. Although, yes in general, I don’t approve of those, and would be in favor of warning and bannings, it’s a case by case basis. How open is it? How Blatant? But we have _one case open here_. And it is open, blatant, and disgustingly racist. So, once we ban this disgusting racist, let’s talk about other cases. But ban this dude first. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511/50 "2018-08-13T20:42:13Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Yeah, I trust some people to know obvious weasel words when they see them. Consider the following statements. ‘White folks just want to dismantle roll back woman’s rights, roll back gay and lesbian rights, roll back affirmative action, roll back regulations on the environment, etc.’ ‘Some White folks just want to dismantle roll back woman’s rights, roll back gay and lesbian rights, roll back affirmative action, roll back regulations on the environment, etc.’ ‘Blacks are just dumb and enjoy killing each other.’ ‘Some Blacks are just dumb and enjoy killing each other.’ See the difference? “Some” is not a weasel word. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511/51 "2018-08-13T20:43:52Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Those are not in discussion here. This post is. And it is open, blatant racism. Don’t try and change the subject with “whataboutsism” . > [@Giraffe](#): > > I’m pretty sure most people are here because the board is an enjoyable place to post and read the posts of others. That enjoyment goes down when people with extremely gross viewpoints are allowed to post freely. > > “But wait!” I hear you thinking, “how can we precisely define what an extremely gross viewpoint is? It’s such a tricky grey area!” Not to fear, I’ve made you a list: > > Instaban: > > 1. Pro-pedophilia > 2. Stormfront-style racism, e.g. promotes the inferiority of traditionally targeted groups like blacks, Jews, etc. > > Short leash: > > 1. Consistently being creepy in a sexual way > 2. Trump voters > > Ha ha, that last one was a joke (kind of), but you see how easy it is? There’s only three items and they’re pretty easy patterns to spot, especially in new posters. And you don’t have to feel bad about not giving these people as many chances as everyone else because they’re fundamentally bad people. > [@DrDeth](#): > > I am not discussing a _general principle_. I am discussing the one post, which is open, blatant racism. > > Let’s not divert this into a general question about where is the line, and what is the line, etc. Here. we can all see the line was crossed. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Although, yes in general, I don’t approve of those, and would be in favor of warning and bannings, it’s a case by case basis. How open is it? How Blatant? > > But we have _one case open here_. And it is open, blatant, and disgustingly racist. > > So, once we ban this disgusting racist, let’s talk about other cases. But ban this dude first. You may like case by case, arbitrary, and inconsistent but others may like clarity and consistency. And why shut down legitimate avenues of discussion? Would Giraffe’s pro pedophilia instaban rule apply to an 18 year old poster discussing age of consent laws with regards to a 17 year old partner for example? Short leash with Trump voters. If serious that’s just ridiculous. Was that a serious suggestion, Giraffe? And since when is it open season to insult another poster just because a question was raised in ATMB? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511/52 "2018-08-13T20:48:48Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You may like case by case, arbitrary, and inconsistent but others may like clarity and consistency. And why shut down legitimate avenues of discussion? > > And since when is it open season to insult another poster just because a question was raised in ATMB? I am not talking about inconsistent or arbitrary. I am talking about one single post. That is what is under discussion. Now, sure, if you like, go ahead and open a thread in ATMB discussing general rules about racist posts. Defend them all you want. OK, you’re right, that was a bad typo. Disgustingly racist _post_, and the poster who posted it should be banned. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511/53 "2018-08-13T20:48:50Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Consider the following statements. Naah, I’m good, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511/54 "2018-08-13T20:49:39Z")
Tweet! Off topic. Let’s stick with the topic at hand. You guys know where the Start New Thread button is. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511/55 "2018-08-13T21:02:35Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Tweet! > > Off topic. Let’s stick with the topic at hand. You guys know where the Start New Thread button is. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511/56 "2018-08-13T21:19:28Z")
From post in question: “It’s a huge mistake to assume blacks are good people merely because some have been victims of racism.” Lovely. Nice that it was moderated at all, but what the fuck? Nevermind hypothetical what-ifs, that’s from the post. It’s sick that a post like that isn’t allowed to be met with an equally non-warnable and vulgar response. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511/57 "2018-08-13T21:52:44Z")
Just from a practical, bookkeeping standpoint if I understand the system properly: when a warning isn’t given then the moderation doesn’t go down on your permanent record. That means the mods have to rely on memory to be aware that the guy once posted that stuff. So, if continued posting like that is likely to lead to banning, then it makes sense to have a record of the footsteps leading there. So yeah: Post which is way out of bounds. A possible ban if future posts are similar. Looks like a warning would be in order I like the idea that we save insta-bans for spammers and socks, so I’m not on the same page with folks calling for an immediate ban. But I hope **tom** pops into this thread and gives us his reasoning for no warning issued. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511/58 "2018-08-13T22:09:23Z")
It’s a no-win situation. If you say “Blacks are not good people” then people are pretty darn sure you’re being racist even if you accidentally meant to say “some”. If you say “Some Blacks are not good people” then it seems too obvious to even mention. If you want to own your racism and you say “All Blacks are not good people” then posters will assume you’re an Australia fan. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511/59 "2018-08-13T22:23:20Z")
Yes. I would say that racism is a no win situation. And that’s the way it should be. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511/60 "2018-08-13T22:27:39Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > So are you guys going to make that note into at least a Warning? Or why not a suspension or a banning. I think it would set a bad precedent if the Moderators retroactively issued warnings based on the clamoring of other posters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-blacks-are-just-dumb-and-enjoy-killing-each-other-no-warning-issued-tom/819511.md?page=4)