# Some Bush Supporters = Bunch of cunts **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 24, 2006, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412 "2006-12-24T03:43:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![zoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/71c47a/32.png) [@zoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/141 "2006-12-29T10:27:33Z")
Thank you, **Evil One** for participating here where so many of your brethren have long departed from this topic. Your journey to the dark side begins with a single step. Four years ago many of us here at the SDMB and elsewhere were saying, “If we attack Iraq it will cause a civil war and will make a giant mess.” The response from many on your side was, “If you oppose the war you are a Saddam lover.” This message board at the time had mostly civil and reasoned debate (as always 🙂 ) but elsewhere the war opponents were called “Pussies and Traitors who want to see America attacked again. ” When Bush gave his “Mission Accomplished” speech my right-wing friends told me “See how wrong you were?” Now we have a civil war and a giant mess and the tune from the soft right is “The war was a good idea but there were some miscalculations.” The hard Bush supporters are saying, “ The media is to blame.” And “The left in this country are fueling the insurgents.” The point **Elucidator** made about the train track is all too true; there are still many who believe we were about to win Vietnam when the liberals pulled the rug out from under everything. My point is this… Yes you are a cunt! What we said four years ago is true and you come along and say “Uday is not raping little girls anymore.” When five years from now Iraq is all in flames and there are massive genocide projects in Kurdistan and Anbar are you going to say “Uday is not raping little girls anymore”? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/142 "2006-12-29T15:21:50Z")
> [@Evil One](#): > > > [@vibrotronica](#): > > > > In December, 1941, the Japanese were faced with a large enemy navy. No war was declared, but they looked at that navy and said, “That could one day be used against us.” So they decided to preemptively attack that navy in hopes of crippling it. > > > > Evil One. do you think the Japanese were justified in attacking Pearl Harbor? > > They thought so. But do YOU think so? _That_ was the question. > [@Evil One](#): > > But what would those of you who are putting yourself on an intellectual plane I can never hope to aspire to have done in 2002? We were all quite clear about it _in 2002_. Saddam was successfully contained, not a threat to us, an asshole to be sure but not much different from many others we’ve supported, IOW yes, keep the status quo. We knew then, and know now, that he had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks, a fact which has somehow since filtered through the jingoist mental shields of many like you despite Bush’s continued lying about it. The enemy was Al Qaeda, and the Taliban that supported them. We thought then and still do that the war to eliminate them in Afghanistan, and to capture Osama (remember him?) was what mattered. . ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/143 "2006-12-29T15:39:40Z")
[QUOTE=Evil One] Perhaps. But many people who don’t march in lockstep with the thought police in here aren’t bothering to post. [/QUOTE] > [@saoirse](#): > > The cunts are the ones who won’t show up and comment. +1 Bush didn’t lie. He, along with many others, were incorrect about some things though. The Patriot act isn’t nearly the constitution shredding pure evil law that everyone makes it out to be. It’s actually quite harmless. Iraq is a mess. But hindsight is 20/20, and backing the decision to invade was perfectly reasonable given what the intelligence looked like then. * * * Curses on both of you for guilting me into posting in this thread. Nothing good can come of it. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/144 "2006-12-29T15:42:16Z")
What color is the sky on your planet? ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/145 "2006-12-29T15:46:40Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] What color is the sky on your planet? [/QUOTE] Now, now. He probably is not yet aware that a 2nd Bush was elected to the White House. **Debaser** , boy do you have a lot of reading to catch up on. Here’s the skinny: The son’s a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/146 "2006-12-29T16:34:30Z")
[QUOTE=Kimstu] Yes, I believe it’s what you conservatives call “flip-flopping”. [/QUOTE] Not all of us can be tarred with the same brush. Unless you’ve never changed your opinion based on factual observations over a years time, please stop thinking that you’ve scored some kind “gotcha” point or whatever is motivating you here. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/147 "2006-12-29T16:39:21Z")
[QUOTE=zoo] My point is this… Yes you are a cunt! What we said four years ago is true and you come along and say “Uday is not raping little girls anymore.” When five years from now Iraq is all in flames and there are massive genocide projects in Kurdistan and Anbar are you going to say “Uday is not raping little girls anymore”? [/QUOTE] I made a few points other than that one in post #130. Perhaps you should read it again. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/148 "2006-12-29T16:43:01Z")
[QUOTE=Voyager] Even with WMDs, please give us any rumors that Saddam had something at the time that could even remotely threaten us. Otherwise the “they’ll attack us” argument is utter bullshit. [/QUOTE] Since I don’t have a seat at the National Security Council table or Top Secret compartmentalized clearance, I assumed that the administration knew something I didn’t. My point is…none of us know what’s happening at that level. Some of us pretend to, but we don’t. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/149 "2006-12-29T17:00:12Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] The paleocons never go away. They will arise again with even more scores to settle. [/QUOTE] Nitpick: This war is a **neocon** project. Paleocons like Pat Buchanan were against it from the start. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/150 "2006-12-29T17:14:56Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Nitpick: This war is a **neocon** project. Paleocons like Pat Buchanan were against it from the start. [/QUOTE] My point was actually to dispense with the idea that this was some sort of novel phenomenon. Unless you want to go back to the isolationism of the conservatives in advance of WWII, it seems to me that there is an enduring core element of conservatives who think that the best solution is always to attack someone somewhere. Look at the current “surge” or escalation of the war in Iraq. This is exactly reflective of the conservative belief that we lost in Viet Nam because we didn’t escalate our involvement there. I just don’t think there is really anything “neo” about these people. Perhaps crazy, exceptionally stupid, infantile, scared shitless… but not much neo. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/151 "2006-12-29T17:17:46Z")
[QUOTE=Evil One] Not all of us can be tarred with the same brush. Unless you’ve never changed your opinion based on factual observations over a years time, please stop thinking that you’ve scored some kind “gotcha” point or whatever is motivating you here. [/QUOTE] You’re a dunce. “Flip-flopper” is the conservative term of derision for liberals who change their opinion based on factual observations over time. **Kimstu** believes in fact-based analysis, so her use of the term was ironically intended. _That_ was the “gotcha” moment; that a conservative would employ that [valid] reason for changing their opinion while having blasted liberals for doing the same. Now, if you publicly opposed the term “flip-flopper” as applied to John Kerry and others, the “gotcha” was perhaps misplaced. It is still an apt jibe at many conservative pundits. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/152 "2006-12-29T17:19:12Z")
The idea that the “invasion” and the “aftermath” can be separated so that one is declared a success and the other marred by “miscalculations” is fucking moronic. It’s as if I declared as a success by any measure my effort to take a backhoe and knock off the fireplug out by the street, but then determined that my inability to stop the torrent of water flooding from it afterwards was a “miscalculation.” **Evil One** , you are a complete shit for brains. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/153 "2006-12-29T17:35:00Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > Now, if you publicly opposed the term “flip-flopper” as applied to John Kerry and others, the “gotcha” was perhaps misplaced. [On the contrary](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5306807&postcount=13), darling: > [@Evil One in the September 2004 "Anti-Kerry song thread"](#): > > (Sung to the tune of “Whip it” by Devo) > > Flip Flop Flip! > Give the polls a glance > Vote for the smack > Then you take it back! > > When a position comes along > you must flip it > If the focus group says “wrong” > You must flip it > If a swing state’s goin’ wrong > You must flip it. > > Now flip it > Into shape > Change it up > First rate > Go forward > Change again > Take a position > It’s not to late > To flip it > Flip it good. […] **Evil One** fully deserved that particular tarring with the mockery brush. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/154 "2006-12-29T17:36:34Z")
[QUOTE=Evil One] You are correct. A small percentage of the population is responsible for the carnage. Our government is spending lives and money trying to fix the problem. The issue is that apparently there are not enough Iraqis onboard. They are either directly participating in the insurgency or allowing religious fervor to drive them to violence against the opposing sect. Many of them are sitting back to see who wins…hence my reference to a “critical mass” necessary to turn the tide. [/QUOTE] Would that be something like “hearts and minds”? Or more like “the light at the end of the tunnel”? ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/155 "2006-12-29T17:47:42Z")
[QUOTE=Kimstu] **Evil One** fully deserved that particular tarring with the mockery brush. [/QUOTE] Well placed. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/156 "2006-12-29T18:09:12Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] The idea that the “invasion” and the “aftermath” can be separated so that one is declared a success and the other marred by “miscalculations” is fucking moronic. It’s as if I declared as a success by any measure my effort to take a backhoe and knock off the fireplug out by the street, but then determined that my inability to stop the torrent of water flooding from it afterwards was a “miscalculation.” **Evil One** , you are a complete shit for brains. [/QUOTE] I was referring to the difference between the ease of taking the territory and the difficulty of holding and managing it. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/157 "2006-12-29T18:10:56Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Would that be something like “hearts and minds”? Or more like “the light at the end of the tunnel”? [/QUOTE] Either would work, I suppose. What’s your question, BG? ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/158 "2006-12-29T18:11:27Z")
The Schadenfreude! It burns! Forgive me for revelling in this particular ass-handing _way_ too much for such a tragic subject. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/159 "2006-12-29T18:14:59Z")
[QUOTE=Kimstu] [On the contrary](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5306807&postcount=13), darling: **Evil One** fully deserved that particular tarring with the mockery brush. [/QUOTE] You got me again! It was an attempt at political humor. But if you want to feel like you’ve mounted my rhetorical head on your wall, feel free. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/160 "2006-12-29T18:16:56Z")
[QUOTE=jjimm] The Schadenfreude! It burns! Forgive me for revelling in this particular ass-handing _way_ too much for such a tragic subject. [/QUOTE] Your insight is amazing. I wasn’t going to confess about moaning in the fetal position under my desk from all the “ass-handing”, but you saw right through me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412.md?page=9)