# Some Bush Supporters = Bunch of cunts **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 24, 2006, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412 "2006-12-24T03:43:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/161 "2006-12-29T19:04:37Z")
[QUOTE=Evil One] I was referring to the difference between the ease of taking the territory and the difficulty of holding and managing it. [/QUOTE] No shit. And many, many people of many different political persuasions saw that the two were not distinct before Bush’s Misadventure. You can’t call something a success if it is clearly causal in a subsequent catastrophe. It’s a bit like saying that Cheney successfully pulled the trigger on his shotgun. His shooting his friend in the face was a separate “miscalculation.” What’s even worse in the case of Bush’s Bumfucking of Iraq is that they specifically and deliberately, in advance of the “successful” invasion, rejected plans that might have made the post-invasion portion of the mission a success as well. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/162 "2006-12-29T19:07:20Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] What color is the sky on your planet? [/QUOTE] It’s actually a slight yellow tint. That’s because I’m wearing my NRA shooting glasses. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/163 "2006-12-29T20:06:06Z")
[QUOTE=Debaser] It’s actually a slight yellow tint. That’s because I’m wearing my NRA shooting glasses. [/QUOTE] Oooh. Where can I get some of those? I’d like to do some NRA shooting too! ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/164 "2006-12-29T20:24:44Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] Oooh. Where can I get some of those? I’d like to do some NRA shooting too! [/QUOTE] It’s not NRA season; it’s rabbit season. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/165 "2006-12-29T20:25:45Z")
Unless you’re the Vice President, then it’s lawyer season. Hmmm… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/166 "2006-12-29T21:30:19Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] What’s even worse in the case of Bush’s Bumfucking of Iraq is that they specifically and deliberately, in advance of the “successful” invasion, rejected plans that might have made the post-invasion portion of the mission a success as well. [/QUOTE] Hm? What plans? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/167 "2006-12-29T21:33:59Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Hm? What plans? [/QUOTE] Didn’t the State Deptartment have a plan that the Bushites decided to ignore ? Not that I think that that or any plan would have worked very well, but having **a** plan might have made it less of a total disaster. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/168 "2006-12-29T22:01:54Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] Didn’t the State Deptartment have a plan that the Bushites decided to ignore ? Not that I think that that or any plan would have worked very well, but having **a** plan might have made it less of a total disaster. [/QUOTE] Yes - see a summary of the New York Times piece [here.](http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/000656.php) I think its safe to say that any plan would be better than, “Gee, let’s get the kids from the Heritage Foundation to run Iraq. It’ll be a good externship opportunity for them.” ---
**Author:** ![bannerrefugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@bannerrefugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bannerrefugee)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2006, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/169 "2006-12-30T05:22:47Z")
[QUOTE=danceswithcats] I voted for Bush. I don’t regret it. Call me a cunt, if you wish. [/QUOTE] It is not just the wars which are bad. You are a cunt for voting for that liar. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2006, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/170 "2006-12-30T15:57:25Z")
[QUOTE=Evil One] But what would those of you who are putting yourself on an intellectual plane I can never hope to aspire to have done in 2002? In hindsight, it would have been cheaper in blood and treasure to leave Saddam alone. Let him go on killing a few hundred people a year…let Uday snatch a few more 12 year olds off the street..in general, just maintain the status quo. We could have gone on trusting the United Nations and the IAEA like we are in Iran…negotiate like we are in North Korea…and wait for justification before attacking again. We wouldn’t have had any problems getting the French or Russians to do the right thing…and the oil for food program was feeding the hungry so the defenseless were being taken care of. We’ve ignored human tragedy before. Darfur being the latest example. We could have gone on ignoring Saddam. Does that sound like a good plan for everyone? I hope so. Because I’m certain that there wouldn’t have been a peep out of any of you in protest if that was the course that Bush had taken instead. [/QUOTE] Call me a jerk, but I didn’t care enough about the Iraqis 5 years ago to wish my country to assume the costs of replacing their government. The costs are multifaceted - money, lives (both US and others), international standing, failure to respect state sovereignty, opportunity costs both home and abroad, and many more. As you note, Iraq was not the only nation with a horrible leader. I do not recall, however, that that was the stated reason for our invading. I thought it was something about a “gathering” threat or somesuch. Wasn’t that what you referred to regarding the mistaken intel? No one disputed that Hussein was an asshole. Many folks disputed whether he posed a realistic imminent threat to the US or anyone outside of Iraq. Nor do I recall our country having a policy of invading all such unfortunate countries. In fact, I seem to recall express disavowals of any interest in “nation-building”, which now seems to be the primary explanation and justification for what we are doing. You mention Darfur. I imagine we could identify at least 10 countries in Africa and Asia with leadership regimes at least as oppressive as Hussein’s. But I do not recommend that our country unilaterally overthrow those governments in any but the most extreme situations - most likely involving active attempts at genocide. I’m not aware that such was going on or imminent at the time we invaded. Please correct me if I am mistaken. As I recall it, we had some pretty extreme restrictions and sanctions in place. No, they were not entirely effective, but then and now I favored them, their costs, and their limited success over the unpredicatable success and predictably high costs associated with going to war and occupying a foreign nation. It is interesting how your rationalizing changes over time, but the one thing that remains constant is your belief that we were right, whatever the ever shifting justifications then and now. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2006, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/171 "2006-12-30T16:08:14Z")
[QUOTE=Dinsdale] As you note, Iraq was not the only nation with a horrible leader. [/QUOTE] true, dat. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2007, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/172 "2007-01-01T17:38:41Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] I just don’t think there is really anything “neo” about these people. Perhaps crazy, exceptionally stupid, infantile, scared shitless… but not much neo. [/QUOTE] It’s a “neo” cover story for the same ol’ oversimplistic way of thinking. “We’ve got the biggest dick in the world, so let’s start waving it!” And **Evil One’s** continued inability to learn from the past is providing lots of end-of-the-year merriment over here. Keep it up, **EO!** 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2007, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/173 "2007-01-02T10:09:20Z")
[QUOTE=Lust4Life] Like the rest of the world I believe that the W.M.D s were fiction ,but every now and again I think “what if they weren’t?” and then I break out into a cold sweat because ,IF they exist , and they certainly haven’t been found anywhere in Iraq , then they’re either over the border in Iran or have probably been sold on by the Russian Mafia to someone. I pray to Santa in all of his glory that I’m wrong. [/QUOTE] I can prove that not only were there _no_ WMDs in Iraq, but also that this Administration _knew_ there weren’t any. On the day the war began, we “simply” rolled into Iraq from Kuwait. Had we _any_ information (as Rummy and others claimed) that WMDs were located in Iraq, we would have dropped troops in the areas where the WMDs were believed to be, as our first act, and the troops would have had orders to find the WMDs and hold the territory at all costs until reenforcements arrived. That didn’t happen, thus the only conclusion is that Buscho _knew_ Saddam didn’t have jackshit to begin with. Yeah, it doesn’t help me sleep any better at night, either. ---
**Author:** ![Mapache](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/58956e/32.png) [@Mapache](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mapache)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2007, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412/174 "2007-01-02T15:18:05Z")
**Tuckerfan** , the stupidity of the Bushistas goes even further than the lies you just mentioned. Even when they **did** know where weapons (maybe not of “mass destruction” but plenty lethal, as the ensuing years have shown) were stored, they didn’t have any plans to secure or destroy them before the looters arrived. Remember al Qaqaa and the 377 tons of high explosives that disappeared? [veteransforamerica.org](http://www.veteransforamerica.org/index.cfm/Page/Article/ID/2330) I read somewhere, can’t find the cite just now, that military analysts calculated that just from that one site the resistance made off with enough explosives to continue the present rate of IUD attacks for something like fifteen years without any resupplying. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-bush-supporters-bunch-of-cunts/385412.md?page=8)