# Some celebrity is revealed to be an asshole. Who surprises/saddens you most? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 16, 2011, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644 "2011-06-16T01:42:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![YaraMateo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/58f4c7/32.png) [@YaraMateo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YaraMateo)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644/141 "2011-06-21T02:15:53Z")
> [@devilsknew](#): > > Ellen has never sat right with me ever since the Anne Heche affair/breakup. She seems like she could be rather cruel and heartless, her warm exterior belies a cold hard butch lesbian on the inside. Anne Heche kind of dumped her and used her. To be fair, Anne Heche was kind of crazy during the time by her own account in interviews. If you ask me, she still seems a bit off. I’ll never forget I happened to have lifetime on and she was in some movie they made. Playing a crazy women and thinking Anne Heche has never been better in a role. Then I thought maybe she’s not acting. :eek:😛 ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644/142 "2011-06-21T02:22:28Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I might as well chime in and say she’s never set right with me either. Her personality seems phony and contrived for effect. I recall seeing her and her mother on some profile piece checking into a cheap motel prior to a gig in L.A. before she hit the bigtime and she didn’t act anything like she does in the personna she’s developed since. She was irritable, depressed and depressing and seemed like somebody who hated her life. I thought “This woman is a _comedian_?”. > > Plus I’ve read (no cite) that her underlings on her show are forbidden to look at her (cameraman excepted, I suppose :D), and things like that don’t set well either. I suppose anyone can have a bad day. I worked as a production assistant on the 1991 and 1992 seasons of an HBO comedy series called One Night Stand. One of the things I did was pick up the comedians at O’Hare and drive them to downtown Chicago. I was alone with Ellen and her _cough_ female travel companion for about 20 minutes in the van. I didn’t experience any diva behavior and she was actually more chatty and friendly than a number of the other comics I drove around. More or less a toned down version of her television persona. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644/143 "2011-06-21T02:42:20Z")
> [@Ura-Maru](#): > > I would be very depressed if any of the on-screen MST3K crew turned out to be douchebags. The format of the show always made them feel more like a bunch of guys you hang out with for a couple of hours a week, rather than a cast. I’d feel oddly (and inappropriately, it IS just a show) betrayed if it turned out they were jerks faking it. I’ve had the chance to have a beer with Mike and he’s completely undouchebaggy. My sister and mom know his wife fairly well, and they’re nice people. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644/144 "2011-06-21T02:58:40Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > I’ve had the chance to have a beer with Mike and he’s completely undouchebaggy. My sister and mom know his wife fairly well, and they’re nice people. Is his wife still Bridget Jones of the same program? ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644/145 "2011-06-21T03:16:18Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats](#): > > Is his wife still Bridget Jones of the same program? And is she still keeping a diary? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644/146 "2011-06-21T03:22:29Z")
> [@YaraMateo](#): > > Anne Heche kind of dumped her and used her. To be fair, Anne Heche was kind of crazy during the time by her own account in interviews. If you ask me, she still seems a bit off. I’ll never forget I happened to have lifetime on and she was in some movie they made. Playing a crazy women and thinking Anne Heche has never been better in a role. Then I thought maybe she’s not acting. :eek:😛 Funny, I didn’t hear it that way. Who stepped over who in the end? Ellen used her as a leg up. Heche had more recognition than Ellen at that point. Ellen threw her under the bus and did everything in her power to make her look bad. ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644/147 "2011-06-21T03:44:58Z")
> [@tesseract](#): > > Link? Cite? She seems really down to earth when on talk shows and such…maybe she doesn’t come across as well when it’s just the written word? It is certainly easy to be misunderstood without the context and nuance of voice and the back and forth of a conversation… It’s true. She is really convinced of her “American Royalty” status in an oblivious way. I think the recent “Country Strong” was a calculated effort to play down to, we the mere plebes… seem more down to earth and accessible. It didn’t work. Can’t blame her… all she knows is a life of privilege. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644/148 "2011-06-21T03:52:08Z")
> [@devilsknew](#): > > Funny, I didn’t hear it that way. Who stepped over who in the end? Ellen used her as a leg up. Heche had more recognition than Ellen at that point. Ellen threw her under the bus and did everything in her power to make her look bad. She did the same thing Julie Cypher did to Melissa Etheridge: decided she wanted to return to the penile colony. ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644/149 "2011-06-21T04:04:12Z")
Well, you know what they say, “A Dick in hand is better than two in the Bush” . ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644/150 "2011-06-21T13:02:24Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > She was irritable, depressed and depressing and seemed like somebody who hated her life. I thought “This woman is a _comedian_?” I can, off of the top of my head, think of a half dozen comedians who are morose assholes – on stage as well as off. People who are funny are allowed to not be happy sometimes. Especially when they’re traveling. What the hell? She’s not meant to be human because she makes her living telling jokes? > [@devilsknew](#): > > Funny, I didn’t hear it that way. Who stepped over who in the end? Ellen used her as a leg up. Heche had more recognition than Ellen at that point. Ellen threw her under the bus and did everything in her power to make her look bad. First of all, no. Ellen and Anne started dating _after_ Ellen came out on her sitcom and in real life, had been on the cover of Time and Newsweek and discussed in every media outlet from Entertainment Tonight to Good Morning America to Oprah. Ellen’s star was ascending. At the point they got together, in 1997, none of Heche’s major film roles had yet been released, her most visible role to date had been her turn on the soap opera _Another World_ and her only major film role was support in a Demi Moore movie (_The Juror_) that tanked at the box office. Anne’s first big film was _Donny Brasco_ which came out right around when she and Ellen become a couple. Secondly, Ellen didn’t try to make her look bad when they split because she didn’t have to. Anne announced that she left Ellen (for Coley Laffoon who she would eventually marry) and the \*very next day \*had a mental fracture in Fresno (reportedly while taking Ecstasy) babbled her way into a stranger’s house by asking for assistance because her can broke down (including, inexplicably, a shower) had to have police called on her, told them she was god incarnate and was carted off and put on a psych hold. Then she came up with a story about how she had developed some alternate personality named Celexa or something, the half sister of Jesus Christ sent to be a messenger of the love of God or some such, all because of the abuse she endured as a child. Ellen, to her credit, never said a word about being cheated on (Heche & Laffoon met when he filmed Ellen’s big 2000 HBO special several months prior) or dumped or Anne’s tragic public mental health lapses. ---
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644/151 "2011-06-21T17:11:26Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > Anne’s tragic public mental health lapses. I think there are a lot of adjectives you could use to describe Anne Heche’s behavior, self-centered attitude, attention whoring and narcissistic personality, but “tragic” wouldn’t be one that springs to mind. Someone who chooses to go on a candy-flipping bender (Ecstasy and LSD apparently) then drive herself around the countryside gooned out of her brainpan until she fucks up her car, and then barges into a strangers house spouting vulgar rott about UFO’s, moonchildren and being Jesus’ baby sister doesn’t strike me as tragic as much as criminally reckless and incredibly lucky that she didn’t kill anyone during her drug binge. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644/152 "2011-06-21T18:33:06Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > He didn’t tell people in meetings that their ideas were the stupidest thing he’d ever heard, and things like that? If BillG is actually attending your meeting, all the stupidity has been vetted by then. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644/153 "2011-06-21T19:25:48Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter. While there were things he did (or didn’t do) during his presidency that infuriate me when I think about them, I have always had the impression that he was a nice person who cared about people… FWIW, I’ve read reminiscences from several White House staffers over the years that Carter was frosty, aloof, demanding and didn’t bother to learn people’s names. And _Newsweek_ a few months back, in a column on Secret Service gripes, said that Carter would carry his own (empty) suitcase in front of the cameras to be seen as a man of the people, while his USSS agents would carry his heavy actual baggage. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644/154 "2011-06-21T19:57:52Z")
Jay Leno (the Conan fiasco not withstanding) The cast of the U.S. version of “Whose Line is it Anyway?” ---
**Author:** ![Poysyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Poysyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poysyn)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644/155 "2011-06-22T02:02:26Z")
Saw a great clip with Jack Nicholson - he was signing autographs for a bunch of people, some were everyday folks, some were obviously collectors and some were paparazzi. He said as he started, “Okay, everyone gets one…” One guy said, “I didn’t get mine signed…” and held out a sheet (or pic, I wasn’t sure) just before Jack signed it, he noticed that underneath it was a _signed_ sheet. So the guy was lying, trying to get two. Jack gives the guy a withering look and a little half smile and says, “Let me educate you on the rules…” and _scribbles out_ the signature on the one the guy was hiding. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644/156 "2011-06-22T02:15:18Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats](#): > > Is his wife still Bridget Jones of the same program? Yep. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644/157 "2011-06-22T03:09:15Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Plus I’ve read (no cite) that her underlings on her show are forbidden to look at her (cameraman excepted, I suppose :D), and things like that don’t set well either. “Her underlings are not allowed to look at her” is a claim that is quite often made of whatever female celebrity (it’s almost always female) is the subject of diva rumours. It’s been said of God knows how many people and it’s nonsense 99.99% of the time. ---
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644/158 "2011-06-22T03:32:02Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > “Her underlings are not allowed to look at her” is a claim that is quite often made of whatever female celebrity (it’s almost always female) is the subject of diva rumours. It’s been said of God knows how many people and it’s nonsense 99.99% of the time. I asked about a similar claim made about another female “star” (Shania Twain) upthread, and was told by a Doper who apparently works in the concert industry that it does indeed happen, (provisions in a contract that no one on the grunt-labor force can “look” at the talent) but my gut feeling is still a hearty amount of skepticism… ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644/159 "2011-06-22T03:38:04Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > “Her underlings are not allowed to look at her” is a claim that is quite often made of whatever female celebrity (it’s almost always female) is the subject of diva rumours. It’s been said of God knows how many people and it’s nonsense 99.99% of the time. According to [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=612822), Shania Twain, 50 Cent (plus various other rappers), Barbara Streisand, Neil Diamond, and assorted others all have riders stating that stage crews and venue staff not look at them or make eye contact with them. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644/160 "2011-06-22T03:47:35Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > I’ve had the chance to have a beer with Mike and he’s completely undouchebaggy. My sister and mom know his wife fairly well, and they’re nice people. Joel was a good friend of a former co-worker of my husbands - when MST3K was on. Nice - shy though. Someone said Neil Gaiman upthread. Nice. Famous enough now that he isn’t approachable “out and about” - but a friend of friends of mine. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-celebrity-is-revealed-to-be-an-asshole-who-surprises-saddens-you-most/585644.md?page=9)