# Some glass-half-full thoughts for dispirited Dems **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 15, 2016, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-glass-half-full-thoughts-for-dispirited-dems/772069 "2016-11-15T16:51:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Smitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Smitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smitty)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-glass-half-full-thoughts-for-dispirited-dems/772069/42 "2016-11-28T20:15:49Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > In 2020, the new administration will be an unparalleled disaster. There will be no wall built or even started. The factories will not come back. The fat cats will have gotten their huge tax cuts, and amazingly enough didn’t immediately start creating jobs the way Republican orthodoxy would have you believe. The middle class will have seen their taxes go up. There will be a new war to avenge that pretender in the Oval Office’s hurt feelings over a tweet. The deficit will have exploded. The ACA will have been eliminated with no replacement, millions are now without insurance. Rates for the insured skyrocket. Russia will have annexed Ukraine and the Baltic states. Against this backdrop, the Democrats nominate a squeaky clean inspirational candidate and have an incredibly favorable Senate map to work with. Democrats sweep into power in several big states, just in time to gerrymander the House for the next decade. President Pence (you don’t think ElCheeto would serve a full term, do you?) leads the GOP to electoral apocalypse. Yeah. Because your electoral predictive skills have been so on the mark lately. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Frankenstein\_Monster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ccd318/32.png) [@Frankenstein\_Monster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frankenstein_Monster)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-glass-half-full-thoughts-for-dispirited-dems/772069/43 "2016-11-28T22:22:39Z")
In 2020, the Trump administration will be a roaring success. There will be no wall, and Trump will have deported only a fraction of Obama’s numbers, but everyone will [rave](https://newrepublic.com/article/117412/deportations-under-obama-vs-bush-who-deported-more-immigrants) about how Trump kept out the immigrants. There will be just as many factories as as ever, but everybody will rave about how Trump brought the factories [back](http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/25/trump-team-carrier-working-toward-a-deal-to-keep-factory-in-indianapolis-sources.html). The fat cats will have gotten their usual huge tax cuts like they have under every president since JFK. The unemployment numbers will be a bit higher but everybody will [rave](http://www.redstate.com/diary/6755mm/2012/07/27/send-this-chart-to-your-bush-hating-friends-who-are-voting-for-obama/) about Trump’s great employment numbers. The ACA will have been repealed and replaced with an exactly identical program called Trumpcare, people will [rave](https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/04/01/obamacare-is-a-disaster-but-kynect-is-awesome/) about how much [better](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDiscussion/comments/39gjkz/obamacare_vs_kynect_why_such_a_disparity_in/) it is than Obamacare. Trump will have abolished the EPA but 32 additional states will have joined CARB and fuel standards will be tighter than ever. Trump will have instituted enormous government subsidies on coal but coal plant [closures](http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_juice/2015/10/the_tennessee_valley_authority_is_closing_coal_plants_and_that_s_huge.html) will have only [accelerated](http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Coal_plant_retirements). Trump repealed the renewable investment credit on day one, yet renewable deployment will have exploded, bringing jobs and happiness to [red](http://whnt.com/2016/11/18/states-largest-solar-farm-opens-in-lauderdale-county/) and blue states alike, further cementing Trump’s great favorability numbers. Trump will win reelection, beating the West/Warren ticket in a landslide. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-glass-half-full-thoughts-for-dispirited-dems/772069/44 "2016-11-28T23:15:03Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > I know polling hasn’t been having a good month (:() most of these are 60+% of Americans, and have held up over time. Not within the range of a likely polling error. > [@DrDeth](#): > > _Sixty-four percent of U.S. adults say they are worried a “great deal” or “fair amount” about global warming,‘’_ > '[http://www.gallup.com/poll/190010/concern-global-warming-eight-year-high.aspx](http://www.gallup.com/poll/190010/concern-global-warming-eight-year-high.aspx) > > and so forth, wrong on almost every count. Both of you ignored the main body of my post and literally cited public opinion polls. You think 64% of Americans worry about global warming a great deal. They voted Trump. If America is so progressive, they have a funny way of showing it. Like how they regularly vote in the most regressive Republicans possible. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-glass-half-full-thoughts-for-dispirited-dems/772069/45 "2016-11-28T23:52:31Z")
Trump most certainly did not receive the vote of 64% of Americans. He did not reeieve 64% of the vote at all. If that’s what you implied. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-glass-half-full-thoughts-for-dispirited-dems/772069/46 "2016-11-29T02:09:42Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > Both of you ignored the main body of my post and literally cited public opinion polls. > > You think 64% of Americans worry about global warming a great deal. They voted Trump. If America is so progressive, they have a funny way of showing it. Like how they regularly vote in the most regressive Republicans possible. Not the majority, they did not. And you are now ignoring what many that did vote for trump told us: that they assumed he was lying about things like global warming and hoped that he was going to moderate once in power. And then there was the fact that not a single question about the issue was mentioned in the debates, despite that most Americans say they are interested in climate change, but they just do not hear much about it. The corporate press has also a lot to blame on this lack of focus and result. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-glass-half-full-thoughts-for-dispirited-dems/772069/47 "2016-11-29T06:27:02Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > You think 64% of Americans worry about global warming a great deal. They voted Trump. If America is so progressive, they have a funny way of showing it. Like how they regularly vote in the most regressive Republicans possible. Trump is, by most standards, a rather progressive Republican. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-glass-half-full-thoughts-for-dispirited-dems/772069/48 "2016-11-29T12:31:19Z")
> [@Smitty](#): > > Yeah. Because your electoral predictive skills have been so on the mark lately. :rolleyes: TinyHands is a unique case and happened to strike a resonance with the dwindling white racists. His kind will not come around again and this is the last gasp of the repressive movement. > [@marshmallow](#): > > Both of you ignored the main body of my post and literally cited public opinion polls. > > You think 64% of Americans worry about global warming a great deal. They voted Trump. If America is so progressive, they have a funny way of showing it. Like how they regularly vote in the most regressive Republicans possible. Global warming was completely ignored in the campaign. Hillary’s emails probably received 10x the coverage of all other issues combined. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Trump is, by most standards, a rather progressive Republican. TinyHands has no politics, he will serve no agenda other than enriching himself and his family of leeches. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-glass-half-full-thoughts-for-dispirited-dems/772069/49 "2016-11-29T13:27:49Z")
Republicans weren’t expected to keep control of the Senate; they did. They weren’t expected to win the Presidency; they did. They were expected to keep the House; but not to the level they currently control it. Democrat governorships have fallen precipitously in the last 8 years while Republicans have increased their share. Republicans haven’t had this much power in over 80 years. This thread is like watching your house burn down, but celebrating the fact that your garage is okay. Amid massive losses, you’re looking for a glimmer of hope. That’s not looking at the glass half full; that’s fully ignoring the glass all together. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-glass-half-full-thoughts-for-dispirited-dems/772069/50 "2016-11-29T13:30:30Z")
In four years, you’ll be defending your party’s association with a psychopath. I’d much rather be a Democrat in 2020. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-glass-half-full-thoughts-for-dispirited-dems/772069.md?page=2)