# Some More Pitting of Iran **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 29, 2011, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085 "2011-09-29T23:56:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2011, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085/1 "2011-09-29T23:56:56Z")
Iran along with North Korea deserves all the pitting it can get. [http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/09/28/iranian-pastor-faces-execution-for-refusing-to-recant-christian-faith/](http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/09/28/iranian-pastor-faces-execution-for-refusing-to-recant-christian-faith/) Not only does its President advocate the destruction of an entire country and gets into ridiculous conspiracy theories even fucking Al-Qaeda has attacked, it now plans the judicial murder of a man just for his religious beliefs. Hopefully the judges are cowed enough by international pressure to commute his sentence and maybe even free him. ---
**Author:** ![Gleena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b3f665/32.png) [@Gleena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gleena)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085/2 "2011-09-30T00:13:29Z")
Another brave stand, Curtis. Well done you. Is it judicial murder when you don’t agree with the death penalty, and righteous justice when you do? Just checking. (Not, of course, that I agree with the Iranians in this instance.) ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085/3 "2011-09-30T00:16:05Z")
> [@Gleena](#): > > Another brave stand, Curtis. Well done you. > > Is it judicial murder when you don’t agree with the death penalty, and righteous justice when you do? Just checking. (Not, of course, that I agree with the Iranians in this instance.) No because not all “crimes” are deserving of the same punishment or are even “crimes” in the first place as in this case. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085/4 "2011-09-30T01:50:03Z")
> [@Gleena](#): > > Another brave stand, Curtis. Well done you. > > Is it judicial murder when you don’t agree with the death penalty, and righteous justice when you do? Just checking. (Not, of course, that I agree with the Iranians in this instance.) There’s a massive difference between executing Simeone for murder and executing them for converting to Christianity. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085/5 "2011-09-30T01:55:38Z")
Small comfort for those who are factually innocent. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085/6 "2011-09-30T02:06:29Z")
I think Iran’s tyrannical conduct and contempt for religious freedom is heinous, and that it’s ridiculous to suggest any kind of moral equivalence between capital punishment for apostasy and capital punishment for murder. However, it’s also ridiculous to suggest that US capital punishment sentencing laws have any kind of objective logic or justification. Making certain kinds of murder a capital crime, while permitting lesser sentences for other kinds of murder and for various heinous but non-fatal crimes, is a fundamentally arbitrary decision. ---
**Author:** ![Gleena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b3f665/32.png) [@Gleena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gleena)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085/7 "2011-09-30T22:58:46Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > I think Iran’s tyrannical conduct and contempt for religious freedom is heinous, and that it’s ridiculous to suggest any kind of moral equivalence between capital punishment for apostasy and capital punishment for murder. > > However, it’s also ridiculous to suggest that US capital punishment sentencing laws have any kind of objective logic or justification. Making certain kinds of murder a capital crime, while permitting lesser sentences for other kinds of murder and for various heinous but non-fatal crimes, is a fundamentally arbitrary decision. I could not have said this better myself. Little Curtis is a sad, sick freak, who loves nothing better than masturbating over the deaths of others. I wonder if we’re watching the growing up of American’s Anders Behring Breivik? What Iran is doing is disgusting. What Curtis is doing is also disgusting, for different reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085/8 "2011-10-01T00:45:38Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > There’s a massive difference between executing Simeone for murder and executing them for converting to Christianity. True. But Qin has advocated treason being a capital crime. And there’s only a thin line between treason and heresy. If Youcef Nadarkhani was opposing Iran’s political system rather than its state religion, would Qin be arguing that the Iranian government was justified in killing him? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2011, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085/9 "2011-10-01T00:59:44Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Iran along with North Korea deserves all the pitting it can get. [http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/09/28/iranian-pastor-faces-execution-for-refusing-to-recant-christian-faith/](http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/09/28/iranian-pastor-faces-execution-for-refusing-to-recant-christian-faith/) > > Not only does its President advocate the destruction of an entire country and gets into ridiculous conspiracy theories even fucking Al-Qaeda has attacked, it now plans the judicial murder of a man just for his religious beliefs. Hopefully the judges are cowed enough by international pressure to commute his sentence and maybe even free him. You’re an idiot, honestly. What are you, like three? Who are you trying to impress with this bullshit? News at 11: Iranian leadership = Islamic fundamentalist fucktards. What exactly is the purpose of this thread? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2011, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085/10 "2011-10-01T01:40:08Z")
> [@Gleena](#): > > I could not have said this better myself. > > Little Curtis is a sad, sick freak, who loves nothing better than masturbating over the deaths of others. I wonder if we’re watching the growing up of American’s Anders Behring Breivik? What is this obsession people have with stalking this kid? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2011, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085/11 "2011-10-01T01:40:30Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Iran along with North Korea deserves all the pitting it can get. [http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/09/28/iranian-pastor-faces-execution-for-refusing-to-recant-christian-faith/](http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/09/28/iranian-pastor-faces-execution-for-refusing-to-recant-christian-faith/) > > Not only does its President advocate the destruction of an entire country and gets into ridiculous conspiracy theories even fucking Al-Qaeda has attacked, it now plans the judicial murder of a man just for his religious beliefs. Hopefully the judges are cowed enough by international pressure to commute his sentence and maybe even free him. I guess Iran attacked another country for not having weapons of mass destruction. Then iran tortured prisoners and got into secret renditions. Iran must be a bad place. We should deal harshly with a country like that. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2011, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085/12 "2011-10-01T02:58:29Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] I guess Iran attacked another country for not having weapons of mass destruction. Then iran tortured prisoners and got into secret renditions. Iran must be a bad place. We should deal harshly with a country like that. [/QUOTE] Naw, they cool. They just torture prisoners, execute homosexuals (even though there aren’t any in Iran), fund terrorist organizations, imprison hikers for several years, put down protests with the strongest possible means and stuff like that. They are really cute and cuddly… -XT ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2011, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085/13 "2011-10-01T03:00:24Z")
> [@Gleena](#): > > I could not have said this better myself. > > Little Curtis is a sad, sick freak, who loves nothing better than masturbating over the deaths of others. I do not rejoice at death even those of workers of iniquity-however I am glad justice is done and those people cannot harm others anymore > [@](#): > > I wonder if we’re watching the growing up of American’s Anders Behring Breivik? Oh great. Since I hate Bin Laden, Al-Awaki, and Russell I’m somehow on the way to become a mass murderer who shot dozens of teenagers at a summer camp > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > True. But Qin has advocated treason being a capital crime. And there’s only a thin line between treason and heresy. If Youcef Nadarkhani was opposing Iran’s political system rather than its state religion, would Qin be arguing that the Iranian government was justified in killing him? In what way? > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > You’re an idiot, honestly. What are you, like three? Who are you trying to impress with this bullshit? News at 11: Iranian leadership = Islamic fundamentalist fucktards. What exactly is the purpose of this thread? People regularly pit Bachmann and Ahamadinejad although 99% of the board thinks they’re idiots/nuts/whatnot. I’m not trying to impress anyone. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2011, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085/14 "2011-10-01T03:24:26Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > You’re an idiot, honestly. What are you, like three? Who are you trying to impress with this bullshit? News at 11: Iranian leadership = Islamic fundamentalist fucktards. What exactly is the purpose of this thread? Isn’t the Pit the place to go for this kind of topic? What’s your problem? ---
**Author:** ![Gleena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b3f665/32.png) [@Gleena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gleena)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2011, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085/15 "2011-10-01T05:01:40Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > What is this obsession people have with stalking this kid? Yeah, mate, I’m totally stalking him. Glad you worked that out. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2011, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085/16 "2011-10-01T05:23:31Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > In what way? You have, as I recall, said you support execution as a punishment for treason. If Nadarkhani was accused of political opposition to the Iranian government rather than religious opposition, and he was convicted of treason, would you agree that he should be executed? Just so this isn’t a “gotcha”, I’ll add that Islam is the official state religion of Iran and their government is theocratic to a large extent. So by Iranian law, opposition to the state religion is equivalent to opposition to the government. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2011, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085/17 "2011-10-01T06:47:09Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > I guess Iran attacked another country for not having weapons of mass destruction. Then iran tortured prisoners and got into secret renditions. Iran must be a bad place. We should deal harshly with a country like that. This has to be one of the most moronic statements I’ve seen on this site yet. I’ll assume you know nothing of Iran’s treatment of various religious minorities, nor the torture and murders it dishes out at its own citizens. I’ll assume for that the words Bahai and Basij mean nothing to you and that you have no idea what the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice refers to and please don’t run to google or wikipedia to try and pretend you have the slightest idea what I’m talking about. Just go back to life in your mother’s basement and go back to trolling on the internet if you feel like it, but don’t ever pretend you actually know something about Iran until you’ve actually read something on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2011, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085/18 "2011-10-01T06:50:19Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > However, it’s also ridiculous to suggest that US capital punishment sentencing laws have any kind of objective logic or justification. Making certain kinds of murder a capital crime, while permitting lesser sentences for other kinds of murder and for various heinous but non-fatal crimes, is a fundamentally arbitrary decision. The US doesn’t execute people for crimes other than murder, at least not for several decades and it’s now prohibited from doing so by the Supreme Court. Iran by contrast, executes hundreds of people every year, most of whom aren’t murderers, but are merely drug dealers or drug smugglers. ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2011, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085/19 "2011-10-01T09:28:31Z")
I may be a bleeding heart liberal, but this cleric we blew up in Yemen should have been tried here and then tossed in jail if he was found guilty. I fucking hate what this country has become with Guantanamo bay and waterboardings. We’re supposed to be BETTER. We try the accused in courts here and not in random prisons in third world countries. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2011, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085/20 "2011-10-01T14:02:23Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You have, as I recall, said you support execution as a punishment for treason. If Nadarkhani was accused of political opposition to the Iranian government rather than religious opposition, and he was convicted of treason, would you agree that he should be executed? Not if he was just speaking out against the government only if he were say supporting foreign enemies or spying or something to that effect. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-more-pitting-of-iran/598085.md?page=2)