# Some of you may disagree with my opinion about many Trump voters, and that's OK
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**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Tags:** trump
**Created:** [November 6, 2024, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823 "2024-11-06T23:26:11Z")
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### Author:  [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2024, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/1 "2024-11-06T23:26:12Z")
My theory? I really believe that a lot of Trump voters did not cast their ballots in opposition to a mixed-race woman who is in an interracial and interfaith marriage; they voted FOR the Manchurian Cantaloupe because they just plain old wanted him back in the White House.
And who’s next in line? J. D. Vance. Egads.
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### Author:  [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2024, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/2 "2024-11-06T23:32:14Z")
You’re not wrong, but a lot of them were also voting against the mixed race woman.
Manchurian cantaloupe, too funny, are you saying he’s a musk mellon?
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### Author:  [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2024, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/3 "2024-11-07T00:53:05Z")
I’ve heard he does have a _distinctive aroma_ about him.
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### Author:  [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2024, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/4 "2024-11-07T06:11:36Z")
It’s probably the smell of pure evil.
Whatever that is, I heard more than once from people who assisted with the cleanup after the Oklahoma City bombing that this existed there as well.
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### Author:  [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2024, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/5 "2024-11-07T07:00:41Z")
I think it’s more of people wanting to grab on to something. Be a part of a big thing.
These same uneducated people (his base) are knot headed enough to believe he’s a minor god figure.
Like the pheasants created/believed so many superstitions and an Almighty in heaven would save them at the same time, during the Black Plague.
When he got so much noise and the media was incessantly putting his face and rallys on a screen. The ratings were high for all the news channels during this, and still it goes on. Then the power people in Washington and other Republicans wanted to ride that coattail. It was like the Pied Piper blowing his flute to watch them line up and follow.
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### Author:  [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2024, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/6 "2024-11-07T07:03:27Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#):
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> I really believe that a lot of Trump voters did not cast their ballots in opposition to a mixed-race woman who is in an interracial and interfaith marriage; they voted FOR the Manchurian Cantaloupe because they just plain old wanted him back in the White House.
Is there a difference? I think for a significant percentage of Trump voters, the refusal to ever vote for a Black woman was aligned with their support for a fellow racist misogynist. It’s one of those values that will make America Great Again!
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### Author:  [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2024, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/7 "2024-11-07T08:03:58Z")
I’m just going to directly quote some [Bluesky posts](https://bsky.app/profile/dlknowles.bsky.social/post/3lacgriixao2l) here:
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> The thing that has been getting me all day is just remembering all of these little interactions this whole year that should have made me realise, oh no the reality of Donald Trump just was not getting through
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> The Polish-American historian who told me Donald Trump will obviously never abandon Nato.
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> The naturalised Indian-American car hire rental guy who told me Trump will make immigration easier.
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> The Mexican-American activist who told me Democrats only look out for black people and rich whites.
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> The evidence of this giant unreality field was everywhere and I didn’t totally dismiss it, but I minimised it, whereas the Nikki Haley suburban former Republicans I met, I clung fast to
It’s hard to rationally assess why Harris lost and/or Trump won without being forced to confront that there are a _lot_ of people like this, voting on the basis of utter delusion.
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### Author:  [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2024, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/8 "2024-11-07T08:07:28Z")
His niece Mary Trump says, “I thought we were better than this.”
> **[Mary Trump: What Happens Now | A Critical Message](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYvINwoUSvI%2F)**
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> Mary Trump delivers a crucial message in the wake of the 2024 election results, addressing our fears, grief, and the path forward during this dark moment in ...
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### Author:  [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2024, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/9 "2024-11-07T08:32:25Z")
I’d **hoped** we were better than this.
But we aren’t.
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### Author:  [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2024, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/10 "2024-11-07T09:07:25Z")
The mistake most people analysing these things make (including me too often) is that the public all care about politics. Most people do not care, they do not want to care, they aren’t paying attention and they’ve got their lives to lead. When they vote they think about how well off they are feeling and if they are not feeling positive they will vote for the other party. Everything else is just noise.
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### Author:  [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2024, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/11 "2024-11-07T09:41:48Z")
I think you’re absolutely right.
The people that couldn’t stomach a black woman as president are the 15 million voters that stayed at home.
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### Author:  [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2024, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/12 "2024-11-08T13:37:57Z")
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### Author:  [@Sigene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigene)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2024, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/13 "2024-11-07T11:35:53Z")
You guys STILL miss the point. YOu are so wrapped up in your righteousness that you can’t fathom that you are wrong. It CAN’T be the democrats fault!!!..no, no…no…It has to be ‘racism’.
except for:
Bernie Sanders: “should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them.”
and:
trump gains with black, latino, asian and women voters
And:
Democrats calling non-Harris voters ‘garbage’ ‘racist’ ‘facist’
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Jim Kessler, the founder of the center-left think tank Third Way. “Democrats and the Biden White House did not do a good enough job listening to the people, and they were saying loud and clear, ‘your age is a concern.’ And they chose to ignore that. They were also saying, the border’s a concern, and so is crime. And they got to the right place on all of those things, including Biden’s age. But it took them too long.”
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“Clearly, voters thought the country was on the wrong track, and she became the status quo candidate,” said veteran Democratic strategist James Carville
And:
ABC news
Gone were the days when Democrats appealed to working and middle-class Americans they said. In their place were rallies with Beyonce and concerts with Bruce Springsteen, while Democrats, in critics’ telling, lectured voters on why the party was right on the issues instead of empathizing with their underlying concerns.
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Democratic strategist Chris Kofinis said “It was the economy, was inflation, it was concerned about the border, and those were, for the most part, the top two issues,” . “We had no strategy in order to address that. And as a result, we just fed that alienation. Then in classic Democratic presidential campaign strategy that was eerily reminiscent to 2016, we embrace celebrities and the elites to somehow influence and dictate to the average voter how they should vote.”
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Democratic strategist Chuck Rocha: .“I joined the Democratic Party because I wanted to fight NAFTA trade deals. I joined the Democratic Party because I wanted to drain the swamp in Washington, D.C. I joined the Democratic Party because I was tired of seeing my tax dollars go to foreign wars while my community was crumbling. That sounds like Donald Trump today. We have to take that message back,”
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### Author:  [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2024, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/14 "2024-11-07T11:59:00Z")
I have to agree that the issue doesn’t appear to be the messenger, but the message. Not all working class voters are racist. One needs to understand that for the guy in the rust belt town with shitty job options, he might be just fine if someone is gay or trans, but that isn’t his overriding issue. I mean, I’m somewhat like that. I’m a white hetero male, and while I want the LGBTQ community to be treated well, and I’d vote for that, it’s by no means my top of mind issue. 99% of the time I’m thinking about other things.
The average Trump voter wants one thing back, above all: He wants to be able to graduate High School (or not), take a job at the local WidgetWerks, and make enough to buy a house, raise a family, and retire. Just like dad could in 1950. We all know that’s not going to happen, but that’s the thing the non-racists are pining for.
And yes, Trump did get the racist vote. But it simply isn’t true that 52% of the population is racist.
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### Author:  [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2024, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/15 "2024-11-07T12:26:41Z")
> [@OldOlds](#):
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> Not all working class voters are racist
Correct. The non-racists stayed at home.
The (D) leadership failed to produce a coherent message to get people to vote. They thought being “not Trump” would be enough.( It was enough for 66 million people.)
But their lack of message failed to motivate 15 million people who weren’t really impressed by Biden. (Who was? What the fuck did he do that _really_ counts as an accomplishment?) Who feel they are struggling financially, who feel left behind. They couldn’t be bothered to vote because they were simply not seeing any difference between guys who are pandering to corporate America and the people that bailed out the Wallstreet banks but couldn’t get their college debt sorted (despite endless promises).
The people voting for Trump were never going to vote for anyone else. They _want_ project 2025. They want “them” to be deported.
To beat Trump Harris should have been able to point at great achievements, grandiose plans to motivate people to vote out the fascists. She had none of that. Just more “meh” identity shit, more corporate welfare. She said she wasn’t Trump, but couldn’t be bothered to explain the difference.
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### Author:  [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2024, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/16 "2024-11-07T13:00:20Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#):
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> I really believe that a lot of Trump voters did not cast their ballots in opposition to a mixed-race woman who is in an interracial and interfaith marriage; they voted FOR the Manchurian Cantaloupe because they just plain old wanted him back in the White House.
That’s just as bad. That means they actually admire a racist, sexist, lying seditious megalomaniac who is in bed with Putin and who has wet dreams about being the newest and badest dictator of them all.
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### Author:  [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2024, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/17 "2024-11-07T13:13:15Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#):
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> These same uneducated people (his base) are knot headed enough to believe he’s a minor god figure.
This.
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#):
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> Most people do not care, they do not want to care, they aren’t paying attention and they’ve got their lives to lead. When they vote they think about how well off they are feeling and if they are not feeling positive they will vote for the other party.
Also this.
> [@The\_Librarian](#):
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> Who feel they are struggling financially, who feel left behind.
This part is utter bullshit. You’re right that millions are in some sense “feeling” these things, but it’s bullshit. The economy is doing great, for nearly everyone. I know some of these people, driving around in their expensive pickup trucks, living perfectly fine lives, enjoying the full employment cycle we happen to be in now. “Feeling left behind?” Really? Tell that to a Haitian who has nothing, ask a Syrian who has nothing. Tell that to one of the children who STILL hasn’t been reunited with their family after Trump’s inhuman border policy six years ago.
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### Author:  [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2024, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/18 "2024-11-07T13:20:53Z")
There is much wisdom in this post. Let’s not forget
1. 60-90% of Americans are in the working class. Don’t take my word for it. See the work of Michael Zweig, among others, who has literally examined this issue for most of his academic career.
2. half of the working class are women
3. racialized people and people of colour make up a greater percentage of the working class than of the middle and capitalist classes
4. a basis of unity of the working class is the common experience of having a boss and having interests diametrically opposed to those of the boss on many issues, from workplace safety to wages to war to having to take shit from the boss and much else. None of this is addressed by either party.
5. the Democrats have only ever considered working-class issues seriously when workers were militant, organized, and radical.
6. the American political system was never designed to represent working-class interests. In a very real sense, the Trump victory is proof the system works the way it was designed to work, that is, to put the power of government to work for capital, though some sections of capital disagree with each other. Elections help sort out which section is stronger at the moment and will get more of what it wants.
7. notwithstanding all of the above, this election result is awful, but without a viable left and a strong, militant, radical, democratic labour movement, not so surprising.
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### Author:  [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2024, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/19 "2024-11-07T14:01:14Z")
Bahhh. Liberals support the working class more than conservatives do.
Liberals _may_ tend to be more educated, thus doing more ‘white collar’ work, but that does not mean they look down on the average Joe making a living.
We _want_ wages raised. Republicans are, of course against that.
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### Author:  [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2024, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/20 "2024-11-07T14:08:57Z")
> [@enipla](#):
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> Republicans are, of course against that.
If there’s one thing that Republicans are very good at, it’s sabotaging Democrat efforts to improve the country… and then blaming the Democrats for _failing_ to improve the country, or taking credit for those improvements if they couldn’t stop them.
It helps that they work directly with the biggest news outlet in the country.
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