# Some of you may disagree with my opinion about many Trump voters, and that's OK **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 6, 2024, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823 "2024-11-06T23:26:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/41 "2024-11-07T21:00:07Z")
> [@Everlong88](#): > > Yes when I googled a polling place location there were literal google searches about what election is being held today and I also saw screenshots where people were asking the day of the election who was running for president. That kind of obliviousness is crazy! Yeah, but can _men vote_? Because if not, I have a problem with that. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/42 "2024-11-07T21:02:15Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Do you understand simple set theory? Can you point out any site other than your family that would show Harris being a mixed race female was a significant factor in her loss? I’m willing to bet it’s pretty low on the list as to why the majority didn’t vote for her as compared to other reasons. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/43 "2024-11-07T21:11:20Z")
Listening to Galen Druke and Ezra Klein, it seems we won’t know for sure until we get Pew Center serious surveys in a few months, but we can begin with “Two women narrowly lost to Donald Trump, while one man narrowly beat him.” Plus a bunch of anecdotes of certain friends and neighbors… ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/44 "2024-11-07T21:12:15Z")
As one who believes that Trump is far more evil than stupid, and that his political strategists and campaign staff are even _more_ evil and even _less_ stupid, I think the fact that Trump made an issue of her race … repeatedly and extremely publicly … is a pretty compelling cite. The man knows his audience, and keeping them from straying … he threw everything at them that he could – all the hate, all the dog whistles, all the fear-mongering. Demagogue 101. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/45 "2024-11-07T21:15:17Z")
Do they ask in polls if the race or gender of the candidate was a factor? ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/46 "2024-11-07T21:20:10Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > The man knows his audience, and keeping them from straying Like you say, they were his audience. They weren’t going to vote for the Dem candidate not matter what. So if racism is included it’s just another reason for them, not a sole reason like some would suggest > [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Do they ask in polls if the race or gender of the candidate was a factor? Probably not. Which is why it’s be pretty hard to prove it. There were plenty of other reasons than for this be the one that brought her down. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/47 "2024-11-07T21:36:08Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Like you say, they were his audience. They weren’t going to vote for the Dem candidate not matter what. So if racism is included it’s just another reason for them, not a sole reason like some would suggest Well, I’m not sure who or how many here are arguing that it’s reason number one or reason number only. If I asked somebody in HR in your PD how many racists carry a gun and a badge, and just how racist they are, I’d be skeptical of any answer, but _most_ skeptical of an answer of “None.” Similarly, I think we solve the binary question of whether or not Harris’s ethnicity was an issue in this race by watching the Chief Marketing Officer’s pitches: Trump was _damned_ sure that it was. After that, it’s the old joke: we’ve already established _what you are._ Now, we’re just haggling over price. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/48 "2024-11-07T22:09:38Z")
> [@Sigene](#): > > You guys STILL miss the point. YOu are so wrapped up in your righteousness that you can’t fathom that you are wrong. It CAN’T be the democrats fault!!!..no, no…no…It has to be ‘racism’. > > except for: > … I suppose the feeling of righteousness (aside from the normal levels of self righteousness liberal have about nearly everything) is the fact that Donald Trump has repeatedly demonstrated himself to be not that great of a human being, even before he entered politics. We knew who Trump was since the 80s. From the way he runs his businesses to how he talks about and treats nearly everyone to his inherent persona as a caricature of obscene wealth and entitlement, the idea “President Trump” used to be an ironic joke and negative commentary on American capitalism. It’s really not clear to me why so many working class and middle class Americans feel inclined to support him. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/49 "2024-11-07T23:23:08Z")
I’ve said this here before, and certainly will again, but here goes anyway. I know a woman who, in early 2016, worked at a Trump rally at a local civic auditorium. She said that it was the scariest crowd she ever saw at any event there (on a weekday afternoon, no less; didn’t they, like, have JOBS or something?), they totally reeked of cigarette smoke, and she made the timeless statement: “I now know who all those people are who watch the Kardashians and those jungle survival programs.” Typing this out made me think of the man I had a class with while in college who had previously worked third shift at a bank, basically counting money, and one of his co-workers was a woman who had a 20-something son who had, as we say now, failed to launch, and he would do stuff like call her up at 4am and ask where the peanut butter was. This was in the 1980s, BTW. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/50 "2024-11-07T23:28:01Z")
I said years ago that a $15 minimum wage would create hyperinflation. Guess what? I was right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it’s more complicated than that. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats2)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/51 "2024-11-07T23:39:01Z")
I’m sorry, it was just too delicious to resist. 😉 Although, in truth, I did eat pheasant once. Did not like it. Too gamey. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/52 "2024-11-07T23:46:23Z")
I don’t think Harris lost because of her race/color, I think she lost because they love DJT. They admire him. They admire a bully. They want to BE a bully. It’s sad to think about how their formative years must have been. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/53 "2024-11-07T23:53:33Z")
Agree; her loss wasn’t due to racism or sexism. He’s a populist with a strong personality. Lots of people like that. (Not me.) ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/54 "2024-11-08T00:17:21Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Do they ask in polls if the race or gender of the candidate was a factor? I believe that Pew sometimes asks that in “validated voter” surveys, which they tend to release a month or two after big elections. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/55 "2024-11-08T08:21:59Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > This part is utter bullshit. You’re right that millions are in some sense “feeling” these things, but it’s bullshit. Of course it is. Nobody ever said these people are rational, or fact-driven, or _sane_. The Harris campaign did a poor job of speaking to these feelings. It is what lost them the election (and whatever else the Orange man will take away) ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/56 "2024-11-08T14:29:25Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > The Harris campaign did a poor job of speaking to these feelings. That would be like trying to talk to a rabid racoon. I blame decent people that did not vote. Undecideds? ‘On the fence’? Puuuulllllease. This was an election with the clearest choices ever. Not “do I want flat or semi-gloss paint.” ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/57 "2024-11-08T14:40:22Z")
I never heard any counter arguments from the Democrats either. Tacit approval and support is still support. I have long had the opinion that the Democratic party doesn’t really understand how their stuff plays in much of the country. If you watched the DNC this year, it seemed like half the people at the podium were Black. And of the other half, about 60% of that were white politicians, who are likely wealthy. And the remainder were Hispanic, Asian or something else. Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn’t speak to the majority of the nation. We’re about 60% white, 19% Hispanic, 12.5% Black, 6% Asian and 2.5% everything else. So if you’re some poor white guy living in a trailer in Ohio, the DNC didn’t look like anything that represents you or your community, and a lot of the talk probably didn’t seem very relevant either. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/58 "2024-11-08T14:59:14Z")
I’m talking about the missing 15 million, the people who decided they couldn’t be bothered. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/59 "2024-11-08T15:25:36Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > fence’? Puuuulllllease. This was an election with the clearest choices ever. It absolutely was, and Americans made their collective voice—including and especially the abstainers—that we’re just fine with an aspiring autocrat backed by fascists with a plan for a Christian Nationalist theocracy. Even if they can’t ultimately execute that plan, this is who we are now, collectively, even if a minority of tens of millions did at least the minimum to vote against it. Those who abstained, even in some legitimate but misguided attempt at protest, made a choice to enable this movement and elect their demagogue (and his dangerous, venal, true believer sidekick), and now we all have to live with that absence of good judgment. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![StringsandHammers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stringsandhammers/32/17933_2.png) [@StringsandHammers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StringsandHammers)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/60 "2024-11-08T16:46:24Z")
There’s quite a few reasons why Harris lost but one in particular is that the Democratic Party got absolutely trounced in densely populated Palestinians/Arabs in the midwest states like Michigan and Wisconsin. There was a drastic change in turn out among the muslim voters in places the Harris campaign could ill afford them. I’m not going to get into the philosophical justifications for these perceptions, I’m more of a nuts and bolts guy… and that Blue Wall collapsed for a reason. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823.md?page=4)