# Some old white women. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 20, 2016, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249 "2016-12-20T18:22:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/21 "2016-12-20T19:48:08Z")
Pot smokers age two to one 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/22 "2016-12-20T19:53:33Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Pot smokers age two to one 🙂 I’m 116?! ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/23 "2016-12-20T19:56:13Z")
But well preserved. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/24 "2016-12-20T19:56:49Z")
This appears to be a rant about white women who didn’t hold jobs and always had a lot of money. I imagine such a subset would tend to have odd ideas about the world and not shy about saying things about them. However, that are lots of subsets of humans that have odd ideas due to how they have lived their lives - old white women do not have a corner on this market. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/25 "2016-12-20T19:56:57Z")
While I’m not sure that the OP’s correlation/causation between these elderly white women and their motives for racism is correct, there is, indeed, a significant element of racism among some white Caucasian feminist women - that is for sure indeed. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/26 "2016-12-20T20:07:36Z")
My mom was born in 1928. Of course she could say, “things were different when I was young” but that was never an excuse to be an ignorant bigot. She was totally hip to equal rights, civil rights and except for some religious objections, she was hip to gay rights too. Anyone in their 50’s (as I am now) using “things were different when I was young” to excuse their ignorant conservative bigotry is full of shit. No excuse for that. Just admit you’re a conservative bigot, always have been, always will be. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/27 "2016-12-20T20:14:01Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I have befriended a white woman over the recent years. She’s in her late 50s, so she’s not old. Sometimes she says stuff that makes me go WTF. But it kinda makes sense that she’d be clueless about certain things, given everything about her life and her lack of exposure to things. At least, I can tell she is amenable to having her mind opened. I can share with her my opinion and she’ll at least listen to it. > > I have another white woman friend who is old @ 80 years old. And sometimes she says racist, classicist things that make me want to cry. But then she’ll turn around and say something really nice. Or she’ll do something that is so generous I’ll want to cry. Every time I tell myself I don’t want to be friends with her anymore, something happens and I change my mind. > > So I guess what I’m trying to say is that while I kinda think there is a grain of truth in the OP, it’s a microscopic truth. I hate that people are racist, but I hate that about everyone. Not just old white women. And old age can make men bitter and intolerant too. > > I don’t know what “second wave feminism” is. If someone would kind enough to educate a sista, I’d appreciate it! Its one of the reasons I dislike the word racist. I think calling a racist a racist is a fine thing - but it sounds like your friend suffers from “stereotyping” and “inherent bias” and “being ill informed” and “not having broad personal experience” and “living in the past.” And we are all guilty, in our own ways, of those sins. But racist is a strong thing to call someone when they have those attributes and then insert their foot into their mouth. Racists are people I don’t want to be friends with - I have lots of friends with inherent bias who make ill informed statements - sometimes about old white women. And middle and upper class second wave feminists were working for something other than what lesbian feminists or feminists of color were working for. Second wave middle/upper class feminists were the women fighting to hold seats in Congress, fighting for the equal pay act, for paid maternity leave, for the right to have your own credit, to hold a job after pregnancy, access to birth control, to become respected doctors and lawyers and business people (without having to put up with the shit RBG did) - some of those battles they won, some they got lip service for, a few they lost - and a few are ongoing cultural transformations. These women are not universally liberal. They are not natural allies to working class minority men - the issues of the two groups are really very far apart. There wasn’t one huge counterculture movement of the 1960s where civil rights and feminism and free love and union activism and AIM all got together as one big happy family. And a lot of those groups had some bickering between them - there was only going to be so many wins, and someone would get thrown under the bus from time to time for another group to get their win - there is some bad blood. (One of my lesbian women’s studies professors disliked gay men - because when she started working with the gay rights movement - way back in the early 70s - the gay men talked and made decisions, and the lesbians were supposed to keep the coffee cups full and were supposed to bring snacks. Apparently the lesbians walked out - and it took the AIDS epidemic for many of them to come back to that movement. They weren’t well loved by the mainstream feminists either - butch women were scary - and women wanted a softer face to feminism) ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/28 "2016-12-20T20:26:46Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > I can not speak toe raciness of said older white women… What’s wrong with being racy? ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/29 "2016-12-20T20:49:14Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > While I’m not sure that the OP’s correlation/causation between these elderly white women and their motives for racism is correct, there is, indeed, a significant element of racism among some white Caucasian feminist women - that is for sure indeed. As there is an element among all women whatever their race or creed. Generalities are always wrong (including this one. I do love a nice paradox.) ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/30 "2016-12-20T20:50:31Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So fuck old white women who take out their bitterness about their fading privilege by leveraging what privilege they have left to make life miserable for others. Maybe they’re bitter because you didn’t even call in the morning. > [@billfish678](#): > > I can not speak toe raciness of said older white women… I also have no information on foot fetishism in the elderly. > [@kayaker](#): > > Where all the old white women at? You’ve got to remember that these are just simple old women. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/31 "2016-12-20T20:51:58Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > What?!? > > I’m 58, which qualifies as “late 50s”. > I’m old. > Hows come she isn’t? That’s what I say. 58 is only middle aged if you’re planning to live until you’re 116. Anything over 50 is old, and that’s pushing it for most people. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/32 "2016-12-20T20:57:40Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > And no, it is no joke. There are literally behaviours, that for lack of a better description I would call “bitchy stupid arguementative old woman shit”. Can you give an example? I’m in training. ---
**Author:** ![BeeGee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b5a626/32.png) [@BeeGee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeeGee)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/33 "2016-12-20T20:57:56Z")
What a load of bullshit! In my experience (and I’ve had more than you, being old and all), it’s the young people with children to raise who live in the suburbs. It may come as a shock to you, but I’m going to let you in on a secret. Promise you won’t tell, 'k? Promise? Most women value themselves for things besides their looks. I know! You’d better sit down and take it easy. Do I miss my alabaster skin? Of course. Knees that moved silently and smoothly were pretty cool, too. I wore high heels without even thinking about it. The chin hair gets plucked. The makeup has been toned down. I started going gray early so now I just rock it. Silver is in. I have macular degeneration so I also sport me some Roy Orbison glasses. And I make them look GOOD, little boy. My hearing isn’t what it used to be, but that’s due to my mispent youth. [http://www.wedigdixon.com/idle\_time/](http://www.wedigdixon.com/idle_time/) Mostly here: [http://www.wedigdixon.com/idle\_time/circlejerks/circlejerks\_slampit.html](http://www.wedigdixon.com/idle_time/circlejerks/circlejerks_slampit.html) And let me tell you I had a good time doing it. Maybe you’re buying to that feeble image portrayed on TV that shows a bunch of postmenopausal white women floating around in pastel floaty garments, pottering in the garden, and painting pictures. Sitting in their easy chairs waiting for their grandchildren to send them a Hallmark card while the Geritol kicks in. Oh, hell no. I didn’t spend the 80’s figuring out the right combination of Elmers glue and shaving cream that would make hair stand up straight so that I could fade gently away when I turned 50 or 60 or whatever age you consider old. Back before Manic Panic could be bought in the damned Wal-Mart, we had a little Jello and KoolAid formula that gave you great pink hair. For one night before it sort of faded away. At exactly what point in time do you expect a woman to make this change from Person Who Can Think on Her Own to Helpless Imbecile Who Relies on Some Guy to Figure it All Out? Sounds like you got your widdle feewwings hurt. Aw. Maybe if you’re constantly running into bitchy old white women, you need to ask yourself what you’re doing to make all these women so pissed off. Are you being a condescending little jerk? Maybe if you tried being less annoying and whiney. Or maybe if you didn’t make it quite so fucking obvious that you equate a woman’s looks with her power or abilities. Yeah, we get kinda bitchy about that sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/34 "2016-12-20T20:59:08Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > My mom was born in 1928. Of course she could say, “things were different when I was young” but that was never an excuse to be an ignorant bigot. She was totally hip to equal rights, civil rights and except for some religious objections, she was hip to gay rights too. > > Anyone in their 50’s (as I am now) using “things were different when I was young” to excuse their ignorant conservative bigotry is full of shit. No excuse for that. Just admit you’re a conservative bigot, always have been, always will be. It’s great that your mom was exposed to situations that allowed her to be “hip”, but many of the old privileged women out there know nothing beyond their own little circles. Maybe that makes them conservative bigots, maybe not, I dunno. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/35 "2016-12-20T21:04:24Z")
What misogynist bullshit. Grow some balls and be man enough to learn how to relate to women, not hide behind this screed. You, too, **billfish678.** LOL. Little boys. ---
**Author:** ![Waxwinged](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c2a13f/32.png) [@Waxwinged](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waxwinged)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/36 "2016-12-20T21:09:51Z")
Oh, dear. I guess you’ve never been around old black women. Fear of the other is a universal human quality. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/37 "2016-12-20T21:50:35Z")
> [@BeeGee](#): > > What a load of bullshit! In my experience (and I’ve had more than you, being old and all), it’s the young people with children to raise who live in the suburbs. > > … Be proud of advancing in age. It’s a privilege denied far too many. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/38 "2016-12-20T21:56:11Z")
> [@Tee](#): > > Can you give an example? I’m in training. If the words: Calm down Be quite STFU or if you are so fucking smart do it yourself… Do NOT cause you to: Calm down Be quite STFU or just fucking do it yourself… Well, then you are on your way. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/39 "2016-12-20T22:22:45Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Old white women who might have been attractive when they were younger and have a strong streak of second wave feminism. > > These women … Oh boy, this oughta be good. I would add something, but I stopped reading after the part I quoted. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/40 "2016-12-20T22:36:04Z")
> [@Tee](#): > > > [@billfish678](#): > > > > And no, it is no joke. There are literally behaviours, that for lack of a better description I would call “bitchy stupid arguementative old woman shit”. > > Can you give an example? I’m in training. > [@billfish678](#): > > If the words: > Calm down > > Be quite > > STFU > > or if you are so fucking smart do it yourself… > > Do NOT cause you to: > > Calm down > > Be quite > > STFU > > or just fucking do it yourself… > > Well, then you are on your way. :dubious: You seem to be asserting that when you order somebody to “Calm down”, or “Be quite [_sic_]”, or “Shut the fuck up” or “If you are so fucking smart do it yourself”, any response other than instant compliance counts as “bitchy stupid arguementative [_sic_] old woman shit”. Tell us, **billfish678** , do **you** always meekly and instantly comply when anybody orders you to “Calm down” or “Be quiet” or “Shut the fuck up”? If not, maybe you should stop being such a bitchy stupid argumentative old man? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249.md?page=3)