# Some old white women. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 20, 2016, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249 "2016-12-20T18:22:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/61 "2016-12-21T02:32:25Z")
I have spent some time working with the public, and while bitchy old women are bad, so are bitchy old men. Really, mean people suck, no matter what age, race, sex, or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/62 "2016-12-21T03:42:44Z")
> [@Waymore](#): > > Making blanket racism/privilege accusations about a wide swath of people with easily ID-able traits is stupid and divisive. No wonder the left loves doing it. Oh Jeebus Crits, here we go again. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/63 "2016-12-21T03:53:27Z")
> [@Tee](#): > > … Me, I have low tolerance as well, and I should probably be arguing with you but I’m too fucking lazy. 😃 I seem to be having less tolerance too. I think it is because I’m sick and tired of seeing and hearing AND HAVING TO FIX the same stupid shit for so many years - over and over and over again. Over time, you just get sick of it. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/64 "2016-12-21T04:15:48Z")
Well, I find the lack of any more fucks to give to be incredibly freeing, and I’m much mellower now than I used to be. You can call me a bitch if you want to; I’ll just laugh at you. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/65 "2016-12-21T06:07:43Z")
Hilarious how the women in the thread all think the OP is talking about them, which I guess means Doper women are all old rich racists and sexists and I guess, proud of it. Hm. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/66 "2016-12-21T07:09:28Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Hilarious how the women in the thread all think the OP is talking about them, which I guess means Doper women are all old rich racists and sexists and I guess, proud of it. 😕 Where did you get that idea? On the contrary, what the self-described old or future-old white Doper women here are saying is that their old white femaleness (and possible perceived bitchiness) **doesn’t** entail racism or sexism. Moreover, we have to consider that the OP may not be entirely impartial in his assessment of comparative dreadfulness. It might be that, among the various bitchy racist white people he meets, the male ones are automatically somewhat respected because male and the young female ones are condoned because bangability. But the old female ones don’t have either of those excuses, so _their_ bitchy racism and sexism naturally seems to be the dreadfulest. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/67 "2016-12-21T07:19:46Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > … > Be quite > … Quite _what_? ---
**Author:** ![Mellivora\_capensis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mellivora\_capensis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mellivora_capensis)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/68 "2016-12-21T08:47:10Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Quite _what_? It’s quiet difficult having an arguement with a quite women. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/69 "2016-12-21T13:00:31Z")
We’re two pages into this nonsense? Am I in the Twilight Zone or something? Seriously, is my white woman brain malfunctioning or is the OP totally whooshing / trolling you and no one else has noticed it?I don’t think he’s even returned to the thread. Someone please let me in on it; am I meant to take this seriously? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/70 "2016-12-21T13:32:25Z")
And here I thought this was going to be another I’m Pissed Off At Hillary thread. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/71 "2016-12-21T13:34:51Z")
> [@Waymore](#): > > Making blanket racism/privilege accusations about a wide swath of people with easily ID-able traits is stupid and divisive. No wonder the left loves doing it. Mind if I add this to my sig? The swallowing-its-own-tail quality of this post is a thing of beauty. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/72 "2016-12-21T14:18:14Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Old black women, of course, are founts of wisdom and tolerance. Old black women didn’t live half their life with the whole world opening doors for them. So they never develop that sense of entitlement and privilege that old white women may have developed only to have the privilege slowly stripped away as they become old and bitter. So old black women are just black women, but older. > [@](#): > > The OP is unbelievably racist. Old women, whatever their race, are all completely different from each other. I won’t blame the liberals for the OP, they’re better than that. He however is as fucking extremist as the KKK and equally lunatic. Am I generalizing, yes. But, I don’t think third wave feminism attracts the same sort of narcissism that second wave feminism attracted but if it did and 3rd wave feminism black women spent the first half of their life with the whole world opening doors for them just because they were black women, only to lose this advantage as they grew older, I might be saying the same thing about bitter old black women. Generally speaking the old white woman phenomenon transcends partisan divides. Plenty of entitled bitchy old liberal women out there too, they’re not all conservatives. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/73 "2016-12-21T14:20:48Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUB](#): > > Is this supposed to be satire? Cause Larry David you’re not. Hell, you’re not even Larry the Cable Guy. I am a white woman, but I’m not old and I’m certainly not rich; maybe it has gone over my head? You don’t need to be rich but you do need to be at least moderately attractive in your youth and come from a pretty homogenous part of the country. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/74 "2016-12-21T14:27:51Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > What?!? > > I’m 58, which qualifies as “late 50s”. > I’m old. > Hows come she isn’t? 50’s are a little young for what I’m thinking. ISTM a second wave feminist is going to be at least in her mid 60’s by now, probably older. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/75 "2016-12-21T14:30:33Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > Its one of the reasons I dislike the word racist. I think calling a racist a racist is a fine thing - but it sounds like your friend suffers from “stereotyping” and “inherent bias” and “being ill informed” and “not having broad personal experience” and “living in the past.” And we are all guilty, in our own ways, of those sins. But racist is a strong thing to call someone when they have those attributes and then insert their foot into their mouth. Racists are people I don’t want to be friends with - I have lots of friends with inherent bias who make ill informed statements - sometimes about old white women. > > And middle and upper class second wave feminists were working for something other than what lesbian feminists or feminists of color were working for. Second wave middle/upper class feminists were the women fighting to hold seats in Congress, fighting for the equal pay act, for paid maternity leave, for the right to have your own credit, to hold a job after pregnancy, access to birth control, to become respected doctors and lawyers and business people (without having to put up with the shit RBG did) - some of those battles they won, some they got lip service for, a few they lost - and a few are ongoing cultural transformations. These women are not universally liberal. They are not natural allies to working class minority men - the issues of the two groups are really very far apart. There wasn’t one huge counterculture movement of the 1960s where civil rights and feminism and free love and union activism and AIM all got together as one big happy family. And a lot of those groups had some bickering between them - there was only going to be so many wins, and someone would get thrown under the bus from time to time for another group to get their win - there is some bad blood. > > (One of my lesbian women’s studies professors disliked gay men - because when she started working with the gay rights movement - way back in the early 70s - the gay men talked and made decisions, and the lesbians were supposed to keep the coffee cups full and were supposed to bring snacks. Apparently the lesbians walked out - and it took the AIDS epidemic for many of them to come back to that movement. They weren’t well loved by the mainstream feminists either - butch women were scary - and women wanted a softer face to feminism) I have heard similar complaints about a streak of misogyny among gay men. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/76 "2016-12-21T14:34:10Z")
What about old and wise Latinas? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/77 "2016-12-21T14:45:11Z")
> [@BeeGee](#): > > What a load of bullshit! In my experience (and I’ve had more than you, being old and all), it’s the young people with children to raise who live in the suburbs. Well it doesn’t have to be suburbs, just an overwhelmingly white environment that doesn’t require a lot of interaction with a diverse population. > [@](#): > > It may come as a shock to you, but I’m going to let you in on a secret. > > Promise you won’t tell, 'k? > > Promise? > > Most women value themselves for things besides their looks. It may come as a shock to you, but I’m going to let you in on a secret. Promise you won’t tell, 'k? Promise? While women may value themselves for things besides their looks, society treats young white women differently because they are young white women. Its a pretty huge advantage until the youth goes away. And when that advantage goes away because they are no longer young and pretty, some women of a particular mindset get bitter and bitchy. > [@](#): > > Do I miss my alabaster skin? Of course. … …For one night before it sort of faded away. At exactly what point in time do you expect a woman to make this change from Person Who Can Think on Her Own to Helpless Imbecile Who Relies on Some Guy to Figure it All Out? I’m glad old age is working out for you. That you can look back at your life with satisfaction that if nothing else, you have had a life worth living but I was not referencing all white women. Surely, you must have run into the bitter old white woman phenomenon in your travels. They are very protective of their prerogatives and entirely dismissive of others. They think they are just asking for fairness while others are asking for special treatment. They are not aging gracefully because they had very little grace to begin with. Just a culture that fawned over them because they were young white women. > [@](#): > > Sounds like you got your widdle feewwings hurt. It sounds like I may have hurt YOUR feewings. I didn’t mean to. The OP does not apply to all white women. It doesn’t even apply to all single second wave feminist old white women. But it does apply to some of them. > [@](#): > > Aw. Maybe if you’re constantly running into bitchy old white women, you need to ask yourself what you’re doing to make all these women so pissed off. Are you being a condescending little jerk? Maybe if you tried being less annoying and whiney. Or maybe if you didn’t make it quite so fucking obvious that you equate a woman’s looks with her power or abilities. Yeah, we get kinda bitchy about that sort of thing. This observation is frequently the result of how I see old white women treat my wife. She didn’t grow up around these people so she didn’t live to see their transformation from SJWs to bitchy old white women. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/78 "2016-12-21T14:47:59Z")
Old white woman here. I grew up in Boston, in a melting pot neighborhood. The first time someone explained the word “prejudice” to me, I said “That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard.” My opinion has not changed since then. When my manager asked me what I consider my best traits recently, I said “My intelligence. And memory.” He replied “I would have said tolerance.” People are individuals. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/79 "2016-12-21T14:50:41Z")
> [@Helena330](#): > > What misogynist bullshit. Grow some balls and be man enough to learn how to relate to women, not hide behind this screed. You, too, **billfish678.** > > LOL. Little boys. Is it misogynist if its true? I don’t think I have a dysfunctional relationship with women generally. I have no problem with younger women or older minority women or even most older white women. But there is a brand of feminist old white women (probably in their early 70’s to 80’s) who are just fucking racist bitches and they think because they were feminists, that means they are progressive or something and they excuse themselves for their racism and bitchiness. They may think they are just being assertive or something (who the fuck know wtf they are thinking), but they are actually being raging bitches. If this applies to you then try to change. If not then it doesn’t apply to you. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/80 "2016-12-21T14:55:04Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Please explain to me what in the fuck, exactly, inspired this thread. You did not just wake up this morning and decide you hated white women. > > Also, everybody knows old white men are the worst. A sense of humor probably precludes you from the category of women described in the OP. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249.md?page=5)